Gary's NDE: Ultimate Terror to Ultimate Joy

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From the time that they pronounced me that was

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a good 45 minutes They cut my clothes and then

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they paddled my heart my heart stopped and I

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could see people screaming and crying But I didn't

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realize that was actually my physical body because

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I was somewhere else The only thing that I could

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feel if you can imagine Absolute love and peace

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there wasn't anything else to be felt. I was

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greeted by people I'd known in the past I'm back

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home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home.

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Welcome, welcome to Round Trip Death everybody

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and a warm welcome to our special guest today,

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Gary Wimmer. And you're down in Texas, right

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Gary? Correct, Austin, Texas. Well, it's good

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to have you here. I appreciate you reaching out

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to me. Can't wait to hear your story. Before

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we jump into it and hear about your NDE, Give

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us an idea of who's Gary. Tell us a little bit

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about you. Well, I'm the third of seven sons,

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Catholic parents. I was raised Catholic, altar

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boy. I had a lot of interest in God and Christ,

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but when I went through puberty, I left the Catholic

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Church. But I never left my search for God and

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Christ and truth, you know. I had six brothers,

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and I was overwhelmed with interest in things

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like that. They were all sports guys or business

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guys and still are. good guys, but I was the

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curious one. I always wanted to seek the truth.

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I wanted to know the truth. And in 1977, I had

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a near -death experience that revealed it to

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me. I had no idea anybody could go to Infinite

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Mind or God or whatever you want to call it and

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come back and talk about it. And this was before

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I knew People were having near -death experiences.

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I didn't know how to put it into context with

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anything. I was 29 1977 I knew what I saw I knew

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what happened But and I feel like the luckiest

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person on the planet because I got a trip there

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and back And that's what this show is all about.

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That's why round trip is in our title. Well in

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1977 that was about within a couple of years

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of the time that the phrase near -death experience

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was coined by Dr. Moody, as you know. So I'm

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guessing you had no idea what happened to you.

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So how did you process it? Well, it was challenging.

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I went through a week of escalating psychic ability

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that I could not turn off or understand. I felt

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these protective monitors, guardian angels, something

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watching me, something aware. Didn't see them,

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could feel them. After a week of this insane

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escalating psychic ability that just literally

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scared the hell out of me. I've never been so

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scared in my life. At the same time, I never

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felt so enlightened, so protected. spiritually

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guided in some way. I knew I was going somewhere,

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I didn't know what, but the things I just mentioned

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were not normal life as a musician. That changed

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overnight. Because all of a sudden, I'm picking

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up everything about people around me. Someone

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said, I'll be over at your place in a while.

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I'd look at the clock and jump to 228. I know

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that they're going to be walked through that

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door at 228. This went on for a solid week. I

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could not cut off. The whole book I wrote of

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Second Eternity covers a lot of these episodes.

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And finally, after the end of a week, I was terrified.

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I couldn't take it anymore. I was racing down

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Guadalupe Street here in Austin, Texas, crying,

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scared, terrified, but still mind blown over

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what I could feel because everybody walked by

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to pick up everything in their life. What I couldn't

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do is turn it off or know why it was happening.

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And all of a sudden, in the middle of this incredible

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panic and fear, I closed my eyes and started

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praying, and, God, I can't take this help. I

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know you're there. All of a sudden, I felt this

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incredible warmth immediately. It's mid -February.

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And I look up, and there's this huge light shining

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down on me. And I look around, and none of these

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people who were witnessing me, because I kind

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of had a circle around me, I was acting rather

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strange, you know, crying and praying. And they

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didn't see the light? No, and it was amazing

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to me, and I didn't care. You guys may see it

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or not. So I looked back up, and I turned to

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do a crystal table about this thick, and the

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palms of seven grayish, white -robed beings were

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sitting around the table without any chairs,

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and their hands were shining this light down

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on me. And they said, do you trust us? And I

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said, man, I don't know what's been going on.

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I've been going through these extremes. I'm thinking,

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shh, do you trust us? They asked that a time

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or two. And finally I said, yeah, because I felt

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protected and warm. The fear had vanished immediately.

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I didn't know what I was trusting them for, but

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it was better than what I had been going through,

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you know, the panic button. And so I said, yeah,

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long story short, within... Second or two, I

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was hit head on by a speeding car. I saw my body

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from above the car get tumbled over by the car,

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hit the damn bumper and the windshield. And then

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all of a sudden I'm outside my body and I'm expanding

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like a balloon. The surface going out in all

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directions, not like an arrow, just like a balloon.

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I instantly realized, instantly, that's the way

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souls leave the body. they go out like a balloon

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in all directions. Gary, I'm so sorry to interrupt.

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I just want to clarify something that I think

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I've missed. Sure. I thought you were talking

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about the week after your NDE. Was this prior

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to your NDE? This is leading up to it. Leading

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up to it. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Keep

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going. Yeah, it was in the end of January 77,

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things started happening strange. And by February

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7, 1977, when I actually had the experience and

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went through ultimate terror and then ultimate

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joy and thrill and light and seeing these monitors

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and they're talking to me and I'm freaking out

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and they finally say do you trust us and I said

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yeah and like I said I was hit head on by a speeding

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car and spanning outward and instantly realized

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that's how souls come in too. So I had no idea

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pretty soon thereafter who I was. It was pure

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sensation, and it was pure beauty. It was fearless.

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I felt protected, had no idea where I was going,

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but the ride there was fun. And I wasn't in time

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and space, and it was hard to tell the difference

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between sequentiality and simultaneousness, because

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that's what we see in time and space. Things

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are separated by time and space. But out there,

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It's a whole different ballgame. Well, you mentioned

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something about the ride there. What was that

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all about? Don't leave anything out. Tell me,

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tell me step by step and fill in the details.

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That's this expansion I'm going through. As I

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expanded, I started seeing planets, the Earth,

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the whole solar system, galaxies going within

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me. Now my body's down there on Guadalupe Street

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in Austin, Texas, but my psyche, my soul, whatever.

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It's expanding. Then it went through the edge

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of the universe. I know that tickles physicist

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minds, but that's what it felt like. And when

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I went through this edge of this universe, I

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went through a level of consciousness that seemed

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to define itself as the colors, because it was

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a level of consciousness that I perceived that

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we come through and it gives us the ability through

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our senses our hearing, our thought, our brains,

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our consciousness to understand who we are and

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where we came from. We go through that before

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we enter into the physical universe, and again,

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collapsing down to the mother at birth. Well,

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I was going the other way. I broke through the

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universe, broke through the colors, had no idea

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who I was. Pure sensation. And then I saw, wow,

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that's the universe I came out of, and there's

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billions of them. There's infinite universes

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and they seem to roll up into a big Tunnel of

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light that's the best explanation very common

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term and it felt like that I'm going through

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this big circling silverish white clouds like

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a clown in a balloon not aware of who I am pure

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sensation no fear no doubt and then all of a

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sudden I come out the other side of this tunnel

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and I'm in this infinite blue void that I instantly

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realized as the infinite mind of God. Completely

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unbiased. Either it was here and everything's

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possible, which is the case, or it wouldn't be

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here and nothing would exist. There's no in between.

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And the thing that astonished me is the unbiased.

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It's not good or bad. It's infinite creativity.

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Humans are biased. Humans are good or bad. not

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nature. And so as I'm observing this, I feel

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like I was there for eternity. That's why I wrote

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the book, A Second in Eternity, because it went

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on and on. I felt like I was getting the whole

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tour through Infinite Mind and all these possibilities

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over time and space. And then all of a sudden,

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I felt like I was witnessing it instead of being

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on the merry -go -round. I'm all of a sudden

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off of it, witnessing it, and I'm being pulled

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back to somewhere. And I go back through this

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tunnel of light and come out the other side and

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come through these colors and enter this universe

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still with no idea who I am, but I felt like,

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wow, I must have a connection here. Something's

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pulling me somewhere. And the closer I got to

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this galaxy, this solar system, this planet,

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the more I felt like I had some connection. And

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right before I came back into my body, I saw

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three series of pictures. One was about everything

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we're going through now. All the chaos, extremes,

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political. The other was the other side of this

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chaos as we get into the age of Aquarius. Because

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what we're seeing now is all the holes in the

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boat so we can fix them. Hopefully now we're

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getting the duct tape to fix it. And that's the

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second series of pictures where a beautiful life

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in the future, you know, high -tech, beautiful,

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mankind's cooled out, no war. I don't know if

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that's a dream, but I really think that's where

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we're headed. And I don't know if there's a million

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people on the planet or 25 billion at that time,

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because every day breaking news affects something.

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And people ask me, so what did you see? Look

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at breaking news every day. But the universe

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is showing us our flaws so we can fix them period

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period period So we should be grateful that we're

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seeing the holes in the boat Then I saw my body

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and jump back into my body leap to my feet The

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driver was hovering over me terrified. He just

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ran into me The car is all banged up people are

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screaming hard and I jumped to my feet. I didn't

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feel it Not even scratch didn't get hurt You

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looked at the car and I looked at the people's

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harness. I just wanted to go home. I wasn't hurt.

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Couldn't deal with it. This is too heavy. What

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I just went through was heaven and back. And

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now I got to deal with all this crap. Wait a

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minute. So as soon as I started to walk home,

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people said, no, stay, man. The cops, the ambulance,

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the police, they'll be here in a minute. They

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need to clear it up. And I thought, yeah, I don't

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want them chasing me through alleys, running

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through the city. Like you did something wrong.

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Yeah, right, you know, so, okay, I'll wait. I'll

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explain it and I'll go home. Good luck. When

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they came, they're looking for a bud -spattered

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body and there's not one and everybody's pointing

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to me because I'm over there talking to all these

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people, asking if they saw these monitors and

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they just think, man, this guy's completely crazy

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because what they saw was someone walking down

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the street, running down the street, crying,

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screaming, praying, stopping, talking to something

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that ain't there. A second later getting hit

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by a car and then just jumping up like nothing

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happened because that's basically what they saw

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and that's basically what happened except for

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where I went. They couldn't see that. I've got

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a bunch of questions before we move on. Sure,

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man. Thank you. That was a good explanation.

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Where to start? You talked about this infinite

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blue void that you felt like was God or being

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with God. What did it feel like? What did it

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look like? It looked like infinite blue sky.

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In other words, one color, one tone, one infinity,

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one infinite mind. But every molecule in that

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blue sky was a different possibility. A planet,

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a galaxy, a person, a cricket. I didn't know

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how to break it all up, but I could see that

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there was infinite possibilities. One might think,

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yeah, some manifest and some don't. Well, that's

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probably true in one way of looking at it. But

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everything that ever happens, everything that

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manifests is nothing more than infinite mind

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I mean we really are part of infinite mind seeing

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itself and that's why there's a physical place.

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Infinite mind thought well let's go stir up some

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stuff. I mean I'm over simplifying it. Chicken,

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eggs, what preceded what first, well that's the

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sequential. Infinite mind has always been here,

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always was. Maybe this universe is only 13 billion

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years old but souls aren't. Consciousness, it

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always existed. It's just now we're in this galaxy,

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in this planet, in this universe. At that point,

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what makes you feel like you were with God? Everything.

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Were there emotions attached? Fear, happiness,

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joy, anything? Oh, ecstasy beyond comprehension.

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Beyond what the body and brain can absorb. That's

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why people who have NDEs leave their body and

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their brain back on the planet. Because it can't

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handle that it can't process it your soul can

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your higher consciousness can and when you come

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back each kind of can put it together as most

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people do with any Intense experience in their

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life good bad or ugly But yeah, it was a beautiful

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beautiful beautiful You said that you learned

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about who we are and where we came from. Can

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you expound on that? Yeah, it's like every creation

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is again nothing more than infinite mind seeing

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itself. An infinite mind created all these souls,

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created this universe. In fact, our souls, your

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soul, my soul, all these souls that come here

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helped co -create this universe. We're not just

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participants after it got formed. Our consciousness

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helped make this planet be where it is. Probably

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several other planets throughout the galaxies

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I believe there's life in a lot of places. They

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ain't like ours. Who says it couldn't be mercury

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based instead of carbon based? I mean, it may

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sound strange, but maybe they're pressure and

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chemistry. Who knows? There's so many possibilities,

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but they all manifest by infinite mind seeing

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itself, you, me, and so forth. We also get to

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experience individuality and choice. So we don't...

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feel imprisoned by infinite mind, we're not a

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puppet where we're given free will, the most

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beautiful gift souls come here with, because

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we get to decide how we see everything and interpret

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everything, including our situation at all times.

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Let's talk about free will for a minute. This

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is something that personally I feel like is just

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one of those eternal laws of the universe, okay?

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It just like gravity or like God or like whatever

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terms we want to use. Free will is at the center

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of so much of what happens. A lot of people just

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don't understand this. Tell me a little bit more

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about what you learned about free will. Why did

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you just bring that up? I think free will really

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occurred to me in its empowerment after my near

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-death experience. I was a musician. I started

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playing guitar way before The Beatles came out

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in 1963. Never thought I'd be a professional

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musician. Conscience objector in college after

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Vietnam War. I didn't want to serve. I served

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as a conscience objector and then started playing

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music. It was all defense work. I didn't want

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to work in the defense industry. Can you refresh

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me on your question? It's about free will. Oh,

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free will, yeah. Yeah. I realized at that time

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when I saw Infinite Mind, and especially when

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I came back as a limited package dual human being,

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we all have limitations, that's a big separation

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between being part of Infinite Mind, seeing it,

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witnessing it, however you want to define it,

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however I choose to define it, the essence of

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it, with no separation and infinite creativity,

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and then being back as human. but pimples and

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BOs and limited. So free will to me is the beautiful

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gift of the universe to us because we may not

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be able to change our situation, our genes, history,

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blah, blah, blah, billions of things. But free

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will always allows us to change the way we look

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at ourselves or the situation or anything because

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we get to choose how we look at it. And if you

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don't know that, eventually you discover it some

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time or another through some lifetime. It's inevitable.

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It's inevitable. So yeah, free will gives us

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the ability, should we choose to use it, to realize,

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okay, I can't change anything up to this second,

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so don't drive myself crazy. Number one. Number

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two. I'm going to use free will to see how to

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get the most mileage out of this particular situation

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right here, right now. And worrying and doubting

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and being frustrated and looking for a complaint

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department and topping out, they ain't going

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to solve that problem. The only way to really

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solve that problem is free will. Yeah, I'll tackle

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it. And part of that is free will to make your

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own choices, your own behavior, as well as how

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you feel like you were just talking about. How

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does that apply to as you put it the universe?

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Because I have a lot of people on the show that

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well from all walks of life from all religions

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and no religions This doesn't come up all that

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often, but I think it's such an interesting topic

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It's not talked about for example a lot in scripture

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And so a lot of people just don't know what to

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make of it. You've been out of the body to this

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other sphere Give us an idea of how does it apply

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there? What do we have choices about? The most

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important thing how we see ourselves life this

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moment That's the most important thing and that's

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the best use of free will because everything

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we can't change Everything up to this second

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and we're not sure what's happening in five minutes.

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We may have the best of plans But we only live

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in the here and now so if we start exercising

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free will to be empowered here and now Just like

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if you practice golf enough, you become a good

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golfer. Now if you want to be a golfer and never

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go practice, you just have a fantasy, a hope,

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and that's fine and dandy, but there's a difference

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between wishing you were a golfer and learning

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how to swing the club. Free will allows us to

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re -adapt, to continue to grow, to learn, to

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put everything in a winning learning scenario,

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the good, the bad, and the ugly. We can learn

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off the home runs. We can learn off the strikeouts.

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We can learn off our mistakes. We can learn off

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hitting the target. And we can learn from missing

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the target how to recalibrate. And I learned,

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because I went through so much depression. I'm

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bipolar. I've felt that since I was a young teenager.

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Finally was clarified in psychiatric hospitals.

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But from 1977 forward, I started learning to

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be the happiest person on the planet. Because

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I recognize free will. Well, I get to look at

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things anyway, and why shouldn't I? I just saw

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infinite mind. It can look at everything any

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way it wants to. Why shouldn't I tap into that

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freedom and creativity? Why should I carry this

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burden of guilt and shame and iniquity? Why should

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anybody? And we do it because we don't think

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about letting go, turning on, meditating, asking

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the universe to help us. You have to ask the

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universe. to help you. You have to ask your guides.

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They know the rule. They do not have the right

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to come in and just trample all over your free

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will. Who are our guides? Or what are our guides?

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I saw a group in 1977 that called themselves

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the Monitors as I explained, do you trust us,

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protect me, took me to heaven and back, brought

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me back unscathed, and nine months later explained

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to me why. because I was curious now 10 years

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ago 12 years ago I started thinking okay because

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I talked to those guys a lot but they're not

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around they had a specific duty just like everything

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in this planet goes from amoeba to to us and

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different duties and responsibilities and characteristics

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there's just that much on the other side too

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if not more it's just not separated and defined

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as clearly as it is in time and space But the

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essence of everything's on that side, too. So

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yeah, free will allows you to readapt, relearn,

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change your structure, change the way you look

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at the situation, because that's always where

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power is. It ain't the situation. It's how you

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look at it. And I learned going through so much

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depression, and it was intense, to love myself

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and to make the best deal out of myself I can.

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As a musician, I had a crappy voice. I knew I'd

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never get a record deal. I just didn't want to

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be an expendable sideman. And I asked my guide

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to help me. And long story short, in 1980, I

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started teaching myself piano. I was off the

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road. Spent four or five years banging on the

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piano 12 hours a day. Talked my way into some

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piano bars about 84, 85. Not that good of a singer,

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not that good of a player. But as you can tell,

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Eric, I can talk. I became a good entertainer.

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And for the rest of my life, I played solo. It's

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what you can do. That's my point. It's what you

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can do. That's free will. Cool. All right. I

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want to talk more about the accident itself.

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Okay. Were you in the street? Were you in a crosswalk?

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Where did you get hit? I was pacing down a sidewalk

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and there were some cars there and some empty

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parking spots. And to be honest with you, I raced

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into the street for reasons that would be too

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complicated to understand and the car was there

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and it hit me. Okay. And I felt from the second

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it hit me, I felt outside my body so I never

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felt the impact, never felt pain and never even

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got a scratch. They couldn't even keep me at

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the hospital, emergency room, couldn't keep me

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there. I've had other people talk about that

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even if they did get hurt. Some people that were

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in horrible car accidents, for example, car flew

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off a cliff, someone's telling me about this,

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and they felt like they left their body prior

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to the car smashing into what was below the cliff,

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right? Then their body hit, physically died,

00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:15.480
were brought back, you know, through doctors

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and everything else. So it kind of sounds like

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your situation was the same way. Only you were

00:26:22.059 --> 00:26:25.079
also spared the pain of all the physical hurt.

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None. Didn't feel a thing. It's amazing. Oh,

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they couldn't. Doctors, medics, my family, police,

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ambulance. They're all wondering, how the hell

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are you standing up, man? That car smashed it.

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Shit, you know, excuse my French, but it was.

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And that was not an issue to me. Not at all.

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and they couldn't understand every time they'd

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ask me, what happened? And I tried to explain

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where I just went, and the week prior, they didn't

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want to hear it. Made no sense, and I could understand.

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No, and even worse back then. They knew less

00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:07.920
about it back then than they know now. How did

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this whole thing change your life? You went from

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20 -year -old Gary that was doing who knows what

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what you do the next day how did this affect

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you well i was uh in jail the next day actually

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they uh took the emergency room they couldn't

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keep me i wasn't hurt they sent a guy in who

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was a psychiatrist knew all about him i said

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man can i go home nope we can't let you go they

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had to get an order of protective custody it

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took two days for my brother to sign meanwhile

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they took me to jail They stuck me in jail and

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all the other prisoners in different cells. I

00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:47.880
couldn't quite see them. Asking me how I got

00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:50.960
here, what I did. And I said, man, I just jumped

00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:53.619
past time and space into infinite mind and came

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back and I was hit by a speeding car. I didn't

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feel it. What? What law were you accused of breaking?

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Assault. Because when I pushed the driver back,

00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:08.309
he kept trying to hold me. you're hurt man you're

00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:10.410
in shock and just get away you don't know what

00:28:10.410 --> 00:28:14.170
i just went through so i tried to push him away

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a little bit and he stumbled down and fell down

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and then i tried to help him back up i planned

00:28:20.950 --> 00:28:23.289
to kind of hug him and kiss him and i think i

00:28:23.289 --> 00:28:28.109
did like jesus that blew his mind and he's the

00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:30.950
driver of the car and he hit me so he filed charges

00:28:30.950 --> 00:28:34.589
to cover his But I didn't even know about these

00:28:34.589 --> 00:28:36.609
charges until I was at the hospital and cops

00:28:36.609 --> 00:28:39.490
came in. They told me about this. He's filing

00:28:39.490 --> 00:28:42.230
charges against you. And when they released me

00:28:42.230 --> 00:28:45.930
from the hospital, they took me to jail. Assault

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and public lunacy. They can actually arrest people

00:28:50.829 --> 00:28:53.329
on public lunacy charges, I guess. I didn't give

00:28:53.329 --> 00:28:56.779
a damn. I didn't care. I've been to heaven whatever

00:28:56.779 --> 00:28:59.079
you guys got to do, you know call my friend my

00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.019
brother put me in Just put me in a cell by myself,

00:29:02.019 --> 00:29:04.880
please. I don't want to deal with anybody And

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like I said when I was in jail, I was talking

00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.940
to jailers about their cases and their law. They

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how do you know that? I knew everything right

00:29:13.059 --> 00:29:16.160
then and then another Policeman from the jail

00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.779
came up and looked in myself said you are not

00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:21.480
a lawyer You cannot give these people legal advice.

00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.059
You either shut up or we're gonna put you in

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Solitary confinement and that didn't sound like

00:29:26.900 --> 00:29:31.359
fun. So I shut up which was kind of relief Really

00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.660
because I'd have talked all night. I can talk

00:29:33.660 --> 00:29:36.740
as you can tell Okay, so you got out of jail

00:29:36.740 --> 00:29:40.220
Then what you had had a lot of depression before?

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Well, they took me from jail to a psychiatric

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hospital and you were there for a while About

00:29:46.619 --> 00:29:51.200
ten days. Yeah. Okay, then what then I got released

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And after 10 days, they take you before a board

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of psychiatrists and nurses that worked on your

00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.779
floor and see if you're okay and whether they

00:29:59.779 --> 00:30:02.220
should seek another 10 -day mandatory commitment,

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because that's what the court ruled, or let me

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go. And I told all the psychiatrists, I ain't

00:30:07.539 --> 00:30:09.599
changed my story. This is what happened. You

00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.980
people, psychiatrists, you're doctors. You ought

00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:15.500
to be studying this. Look at your name, psychiatrist,

00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:19.160
you know. I had a psychic experience. And they

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:23.990
do now. But I don't need those details. I'm curious,

00:30:24.049 --> 00:30:27.329
how did your life change over the next few months

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and years? What was different about Gary than

00:30:29.990 --> 00:30:33.410
before? It took me a while to get back on my

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feet. I didn't discuss this with anybody other

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than the few people who knew, family, roommates.

00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:46.309
It was too overwhelming. And over time, I started

00:30:46.309 --> 00:30:48.609
understanding more, and I think I mentioned a

00:30:48.609 --> 00:30:51.789
while ago, this happened in February of 1977.

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In the fall of 77, the monitors reappeared. I

00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:59.990
didn't see them. I felt them. They told me that

00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:02.710
I had this experience because of curiosity. So

00:31:02.710 --> 00:31:05.930
it started changing from then. I had this feeling

00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:08.069
of being the luckiest person on the planet, because

00:31:08.069 --> 00:31:11.890
I know these folks exist. I know HireMind exists.

00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:14.980
I know we have a connection to it. And that to

00:31:14.980 --> 00:31:16.859
me is the most important thing in life because

00:31:16.859 --> 00:31:20.480
that's where all our power is. You know, it's

00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:22.779
in our mind, our heart, our intentions, our spirit.

00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.279
So it changed my life in terms of confidence,

00:31:26.460 --> 00:31:29.720
in terms of flexibility, creativity. I've conquered

00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:32.299
depression. You know, I'm the happiest person

00:31:32.299 --> 00:31:35.359
on the planet and I went through hell and I was

00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:38.240
bipolar. Still am. But it just doesn't bother

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:40.859
me anymore. I just look at everything from how

00:31:40.859 --> 00:31:43.740
much I can learn and benefit rather than how

00:31:43.740 --> 00:31:47.880
much it can freak me out. Why go there? That's

00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:52.579
free will. You also mentioned to me earlier that

00:31:52.579 --> 00:31:55.279
you gained some insight into what's going on

00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.460
in the world and the future of the world. Would

00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:02.339
you like to expound on that for a minute? Yeah,

00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:05.200
I just wrote a short paragraph about it in my

00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.740
book because, as I was telling you, these series

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.450
of pictures I saw, When I came back into my body,

00:32:12.549 --> 00:32:15.529
I think I mentioned that, correct? Yeah. The

00:32:15.529 --> 00:32:17.549
first series of pictures was what's going on

00:32:17.549 --> 00:32:21.710
now. I saw 9 -11 and COVID -19, these fractured

00:32:21.710 --> 00:32:24.230
societies and people screaming in revolution.

00:32:25.069 --> 00:32:28.390
But somewhere in there, and especially due to

00:32:28.390 --> 00:32:31.069
the next series of pictures, which are showing

00:32:31.069 --> 00:32:34.230
where mankind can and hopefully will evolve toward,

00:32:34.549 --> 00:32:36.730
we're just going through the changing of the

00:32:36.730 --> 00:32:39.289
seasons, changing the guard. Our systems are

00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:41.759
breaking so we can fix them. personally, spiritually,

00:32:42.019 --> 00:32:45.759
mentally, physically, you know, globally, politically,

00:32:46.099 --> 00:32:48.319
financially, everything's in transition now.

00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:51.940
It's not that we're bad people, but we got to

00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:55.140
update. Life seems to have a way of kind of just

00:32:55.140 --> 00:32:58.000
slapping us into it one way or another. That's

00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.039
why we're going through these extremes. It's

00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.819
not in vain. There's a purpose to it. And yet

00:33:03.819 --> 00:33:06.079
whenever you go through some extremes, extremes

00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:09.599
can be life and death, transformation, but also

00:33:10.190 --> 00:33:14.069
revolution, a 180. So I firmly believe that what

00:33:14.069 --> 00:33:17.430
we are seeing now is sort of the cleansing, the

00:33:17.430 --> 00:33:19.769
education, the showing us the holes in the boat.

00:33:20.150 --> 00:33:24.750
But we get to choose by free will, whether to

00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:27.170
pay attention and heed the call and benefit and

00:33:27.170 --> 00:33:30.569
grow and evolve and learn, or to do none of the

00:33:30.569 --> 00:33:33.730
above and look for a complaint department and

00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:36.190
feel like life's picking on you. There's not

00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:38.569
a whole lot of neutral. That's what I believe.

00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.680
Interesting insights. Is there any more you can

00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:46.000
tell us about what you saw about the future of

00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.440
mankind? It's hard for me to predict the specifics

00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.799
because a lot of times I realize things I'd seen

00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.500
when I see them on TV. Kind of a deja vu sort

00:33:56.500 --> 00:34:01.000
of thing. Yeah, but really I saw 9 -11 in 77

00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:06.140
but in 2001 I was over in Europe again. I lived

00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:09.210
over in the 90s. I was on a boat cruise. and

00:34:09.210 --> 00:34:11.949
a guy from Sweden said, man, I was playing there.

00:34:12.510 --> 00:34:15.889
He said, I think the US towers just got hit.

00:34:15.949 --> 00:34:20.050
I ran down to the basement to the crew TV and

00:34:20.050 --> 00:34:23.409
looked in when a second plane went through. I

00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:25.090
looked around and these people in these blue

00:34:25.090 --> 00:34:28.949
uniforms on a Scandinavian SDFS cruise ship.

00:34:29.889 --> 00:34:32.849
I'd seen that exact same picture with those people.

00:34:33.150 --> 00:34:36.829
In 1977, I had no idea who it was and all of

00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:39.190
a sudden it's right before my eyes. I've seen

00:34:39.190 --> 00:34:42.750
several things like that, sort of verifying the

00:34:42.750 --> 00:34:46.889
lot of what I saw would come true. And even when

00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:50.510
the monitors came back to tell me why I had my

00:34:50.510 --> 00:34:54.389
experience and explained to me amount of my curiosity,

00:34:55.090 --> 00:34:58.289
they said, you will see a lot of what you've

00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:02.250
seen in this lifetime. In my life, I'm 78 now,

00:35:02.250 --> 00:35:04.369
so I don't know if I got another month or another

00:35:04.369 --> 00:35:09.349
decade. Another decade, I'm not sure about. Or

00:35:09.349 --> 00:35:11.750
a couple of decades, it can happen. A couple

00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:15.469
of decades. Who knows? I might be the only guy

00:35:15.469 --> 00:35:19.469
to live to be 138. Why not? I don't have any

00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:22.469
idea when I'm going to pass away. I don't care

00:35:22.469 --> 00:35:24.570
about it because on the other side, I know it's

00:35:24.570 --> 00:35:28.130
beautiful. And I have a theory if I'm... If it

00:35:28.130 --> 00:35:31.289
kills me, I'm in heaven, no problem. If I'm still

00:35:31.289 --> 00:35:35.210
here, regardless of the situation and my condition,

00:35:35.329 --> 00:35:38.789
I can still grow, evolve, and learn. Period.

00:35:39.590 --> 00:35:42.110
That's free will. That's empowerment. No matter

00:35:42.110 --> 00:35:44.909
what the situations are. And so I encourage people

00:35:44.909 --> 00:35:47.349
to think that way. Give yourself the benefit

00:35:47.349 --> 00:35:50.130
of being who you are in the situation of who

00:35:50.130 --> 00:35:53.190
you are. Not the detriment, not the fear, not

00:35:53.190 --> 00:35:56.159
the doubt. Give yourself a pat on the back. Love

00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.539
yourself, meditate, ask the universe to help

00:35:58.539 --> 00:36:01.539
you, and then don't be surprised if it does.

00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.239
That's a great wrap up and summary, Gary. Thank

00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.760
you. If anybody wants to reach out, I'll put

00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.039
your website down on the show notes so that they

00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:12.920
can find you. But Gary Wimmer, appreciate you

00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.139
being with me today. My honor, thank you for

00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:18.360
your time and space. And to all you folks, stay

00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:20.860
empowered, believe, think outside the box, get

00:36:20.860 --> 00:36:24.880
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