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I had intense fear and panic because we were obviously crashing. Out of my heart came the
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thought, oh god help, I'm going to die. From the time that they pronounced me dead was
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a good 45 minutes. It's determined that I was not breathing for 20 minutes. They cut
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my clothes and then they paddled my heart, my heart had stopped. And I could see people
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screaming and crying but I didn't realise that was actually my physical body because
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I was somewhere else. About 20 past four in the afternoon by half past seven I was dead,
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clinically dead, four minutes. And they were crying because I was dead and I was trying
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to tell them no I'm not dead, I'm just fine, I'm okay. I was greeted by people I'd known
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in the past. I started to feel like I was surrounded by all this warm, loving, beautiful,
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soothing, loving energy. I'm back with God again. I just felt this all night to release
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like wow, I'm back. I'm back home again. Incredibly safe and felt at home. I'd come back home.
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It was a very strong feeling that I've come back home. The only thing that I could feel
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if you could imagine absolute love and peace there wasn't anything else to be felt. And
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light is literally emitting from him and I could feel that that tremendous amount of
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love was coming through him as well. They were brighter than everybody else and I just
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knew who they were. I'd like to welcome everybody to round trip death and especially our special
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guest Jeff Welsh who is in Indiana in the United States. How are you Jeff? Real good
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Eric. I'm doing fine and how are you doing? I'm doing great. Up here in the mountains
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it is a beautiful spring day. I wish I could be there with you. I have to thank you for
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doing this. I just love to share the love of our Lord and your providing this opportunity
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so thank you very much for this Eric. Well if you don't mind we are going to jump right
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in. I know you had a very interesting near death experience when you were a younger
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man but let's go back even before that. Tell me a little bit about your life growing up
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that led up to this. Okay thank you Eric. I think a lot of puzzle pieces in my life that
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eventually created a tapestry of which I realized now. But I was as young as three years old
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and I understood that our family was not friendly. I mean they were all loving people but I
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could hear fights. I could see you know there was animosity, there was anger and I soon
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learned that mom was really sweet, intelligent. She was a pre-med top of her class student
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and she decided to have kids so I kind of put the herc wear on the side. But she had
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a misdiagnosed scoliosis of the spine and an extra vertebrae and was in extreme pain.
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And back then in the 60s they didn't have the MRI ability that we have today so she went
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misdiagnosed or misdiagnosed. So they started her prescription drugs to try to eliminate
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the pain rather than try to fix the problem. So she quickly, I learned this after I was
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three years old but that's when I first started recognizing the hostility in the house. She
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quickly became addicted to prescription drugs. So as I was five, six, seven years old mom
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and dad would live together. They would be separated. We went through multiple family
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separations, threats of divorce that never actually happened but maybe 12 separations
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go throughout my teenage years. So I get to be seven years old. We're going to a church
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and I've written about this since and don't agree with the churches that serve alcohol
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and communions but this one did. And I was seven years old and I was with my mother who
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was sober in the morning and not sober in the afternoon. So we were having communion
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together and here I am seven years old. First time I had alcohol I thought I was poisoned
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immediately because it was so strong I never had anything like that and I realized what
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it was and mom had it and I just had a thought and maybe glanced up and it was a meditation
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or a prayer but I just thought Jesus you would not make my mother drunk. So seven years old
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I didn't know how to process that but yet there I was. So we move ahead in time. My
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years were like that. My dad and my brother would usually leave the family house, move
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to another house temporarily and those two would live in one house in another city often,
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sometimes another state. My mother and my sister and I would live in the house that
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was remaining. So our household was broken into two. So I get to be high school age
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and mom's addictions are worse. She's added alcohol to it because the I guess not an excuse
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but part of the reason was the prescription drugs no longer touched the pain. So she started
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drinking with it. So now she's a prescription drug addict and an alcoholic. So my sister,
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my brother was going to med school. He eventually became a doctor. He's an emergency room doctor.
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My sister was going to college to get a teaching degree and she was gone. So now it's just
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mom and I and this rather large farm property, I'll call it and had a real long driveway.
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So mom's not looking like the beauty queen she was, you know, in high school and college
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she almost looked and no offense to homeless people. We all have trials and tribulations
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in our life but you see somebody on the street that's just kind of sunken in and they look
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malnourished and this is my mother and she was she was beautiful, beautiful lady and
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top of a class. So she's getting near death. So it's my it's my senior year and I'm thinking
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she's not going to last any longer. Dad's saying and he's a loving guy and thought
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about the rest of family is but they were saying Jeff, why don't you just leave and
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go to college, you know, after you and you know, mom's going to do what mom's going
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to do and in other words, sort of give up on her but they didn't use those words. My
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brother was saying, yeah, I want you to come live with me and my sister is I'm going to
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college you can stay, you know, in that town with me. I said, no, I can't and I was a baby
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of the family. I said, I can't leave mom. So anyway, my senior year, it was she was
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getting worse and worse. I didn't think she was going to make it through the day often.
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Do you mind if I just interject something here? I believe this was back in the 1970s.
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Yes.
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And unfortunately, there just weren't as many resources and help for addictions as there
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are today.
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Exactly. And we couldn't even really talk about it even though there was some clinic
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around to try to help people get sober. It wasn't discussed. It was still something
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to be hidden, swept under the rug. It's our family was they swept it under the rug. So
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grandmother knew that mom was getting near death. She was worried too and she'd call
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and say, what kind of mood is your mom in? Finally, after months, maybe years, I had
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to force grandma to say, you mean as she intoxicated as she drunk? Let's call it what it is. So
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here I was a young teenager and she knows real nervous and held her hand over her mouth,
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and we're doing the but nervous thing that she does. And so finally she was able to
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confront it. We talked openly about what it was. And so I would go to school and I would
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skip school because I would think, well, mom's not going to make it through the day.
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You know, it's I put my finger under her nose and see if she's breathing and I'd go to school
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and drive my own truck and act like I was going to school and maybe just go out to breakfast
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or lunch and then come back and check on her again. So I was skipping school all this time.
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So everyone's thought it's my senior year. I'd like to just get high school over with
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not all about my college career. I got to see what mom's doing. So finally I decided
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to go back to school and check on things. No one knows flunking out skipping out. So
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I was in English class. While I was in English class, my English teacher walked out of the
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room because he saw me and kind of like, Oh, there's a guy I don't ever see. So he left
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and three minutes later, here comes the counselor and she was an older lady then and she they
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called her a bad name. I did not know her personally. So I never used that bad name,
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but she she was my counselor. So she saw me in the back room. She pointed at me went
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like this and all the kids in the high school in the classroom who he's caught. He's in
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trouble.
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So they're on the second floor and the windows were only that big and you know, I'm about
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that much bigger. And I thought, is there a chance I could get out this window and not
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have to go through that lady at the only door, but I couldn't. So I went down there and she
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pulled me into her office and sat me down and forgive me if I start to cry. Holy Spirit
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hits me and I am thankful again. But she said, So how are you doing? I said, pretty good.
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And I just answered, you know, the normal answer. No, I mean, how are you doing? And
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I kind of thought, why is she asking this? Nobody's really cared. So this was the first
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time. So I'll stop that story there and say that she agreed with me and I'm deaf in one
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ear. And she said, Jeff, I think you're doing the right thing. I talked to your other friends.
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I know you don't drink. I know you don't do drugs. You had some really excellent A grades,
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a B grades a couple of years ago, when the family was together and now they're not. And
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I can see the pattern. She said, So I want you to, I want you to continue doing what
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you're doing. And I want you to keep skipping school. And I thought, I have to clean my
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good ear and make sure I really heard that because I didn't think the counselor never
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ever tell me that to check on your mom. Do what you can. I know you're already talking
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to a minister and you're talking to the doctor lives next door. She said, But I want you
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to do me one favor. And so what's that? This was after hours of tears. I want you to go
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to the back room of the school where they were doing some remodeling head plastic over
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the halls and stuff. We weren't supposed to go back there. She said that we believers,
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I'm going to call them that rather than say what it was, have set up a room for children
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of parents that are addicts. And it's called I'm okay or that's what they called it. She
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said, No, we don't really talk about it because this is a public school. We're not going to
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ask if it's okay. We're just doing it. And so she said, If you would go back there, check
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in, call the guy, tell him you're coming. And I want you to do that once a week. Other
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than that, I want you to go home and call me once a day and tell me how your mother's
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doing. And so I thought this woman is an angel, just an absolute angel and dried my tears
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up and I went back behind the curtain and went into this room and I thought what's just
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going to be me and this counselor guy and there was 30 other students in there. So all
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of a sudden I thought, Okay, I'm not alone in this world.
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And they were going through similar kinds of situations.
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And we just kind of, I know him, I know her. I thought what a blessing. We didn't talk
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about it. We all knew why we were there, you know, because it was a secret thing. So I
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went and then there's only about six more weeks left to school. The bell last day of
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the school year was the bell was getting ready to ring and I was a senior and this was going
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to be it. I was going to flunk, but it was going to be it for me and go get a GED or
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whatever I had to. So the bell rang and it just, it wasn't the normal three to five second
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bell. It seemed like it was two minutes long. I don't know if it was just in my head because
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I wanted it to be so it had to be my imagination in that case. So I turned the corner and go
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towards the light and the door that has those screen mesh things on it and I thought I'm
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going to walk out there and pray and just go home. And so I go around the corner and
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there's this lady that they called a bad name. She's standing there and she goes, Jeff,
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how you doing? I saw this time I have a real answer and she said, what's that? And I said,
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I'm okay, you know, because that was the name of the class. And so we just, we just laughed,
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laughed about that. Yeah. So she pulled me in her office and she said, do you think your
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mom and dad would come to a graduation? I said, no, they haven't talked to each other
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any year and a half or so. I don't think they would. She said, but you know, she didn't
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pass and so I'm confused at this point. I'm thinking, right. So what was the point of
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asking me? She said, did you hear about the car accident that killed a student? I said,
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I did. I don't know who the student was. I was so busy with mom. I didn't. Well, that
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student was killed, you know, by a drunk driver. She said, but anyway, you didn't order a gown.
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So I'm just thinking out loud. She said, I'd like for you to go to the graduation. And
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she said, and then she pulled out a gown from underneath her desk and she put it on the
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desk and she slid it towards me. She says, this is the young man that died from a drunk
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driver. How much, how would you wear that in his honor or honor, whoever it was? I said,
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I will. I will. So I did ask mom and dad if they would come. They both did come and they
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asked the audience to be quiet. My sister's a year and a half older me a little bit rowdy.
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So she screamed when they called my name, but I didn't know that I didn't know the person
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in front of me and I didn't know the person behind me, you know, because I skipped school
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so much, but the graduation was over. And so I go home, Pam, my sister's name is Pam.
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She went back to college. Dad went back to his house in another city. There's just me
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and mom on this big property with the remote driveway. She gets worse after that. And I
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think every day she's not going to make it. But I was at that point buying and selling
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cars to try to get extra money, you know, so we could go out to nice places to eat.
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Dad was paying all the bills. He was supporting everything and I understand dad was reserved,
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not giving extra money because would it go to prescription drugs and alcohol? So I understood
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that, but I wanted to treat mom and I occasionally go out. So I had this motorcycle and this
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was the day of the special event. I had this motorcycle and I had it sold by telephone
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and the guy was going to come by it. And I thought I'm going to take one last ride on
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this motorcycle out in the Wooded Hills in the beautiful Brown County Southern Indiana.
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So I did. I went for a 45 minute drive, came back and I was approaching off the main street,
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not wearing a helmet because I wanted, I wanted to wind in my hair and the sun on my face,
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you know, and to be able to smell the fragrances of nature, you know, and just enjoy, enjoy
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the ride. Helmets were not required by law to be worn then. So I did not. It was a nice
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easy drive, but I was approaching my driveway. It was double wide, paid driveway that went
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around a lake down a small, I don't want to call it mountain because you have mountains
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out there. We don't have mountains here. We have real mountains here. Yes. I almost called
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it a mountain, but that's an insult to you. It was a big hill. How's that? It was a big
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hill. We have a lot of big hills in that area. So I went down this big hill and it was a
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ravine and it was going to come up another hill. And at that point I thought I'm going
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to open it up as fast as I can. So I pulled into the driveway, fast racing type street
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bike for the time 1981 May. The morning dew had lifted and I thought I'm just going to
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go as fast as I can. I had no fear. In fact, a friend of mine is a sprint car race, race
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car driver and he gave me a shirt that said faster and faster until the thrill of speed
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overcomes the fear of death. And this was my stupid mentality. Sounds like a really
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bad idea. It was a bad idea. Real philosophical, but not a good idea. So here I am. I opened
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it up and I probably got up to 100 miles an hour really fast. And then the downhill portion
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was coming up. So I had slowed down probably to 90, 85 miles an hour. The driveway had
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like a seal coating on it. It kind of made it a slick surface. It was double-walled.
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And I thought I'm going to go down in this ravine and kind of skid in the back end around
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because it was that slick and I was going that fast. So I hit the throttle and accelerated.
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Now I wanted to go up this hill. I'm still on the driveway and ride a wheelie all the
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way from the top of the hill down to the house, which was quite a ways away. So that would
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have been just to see if I can make it that far, you know, likely I'd get close. So I
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was still doing 85 some miles an hour. Get to the top of the hill and I'm getting ready
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to pull the front wheel up and I see a big blue Chevrolet pickup truck right in front
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of me.
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Headed towards you, right?
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Towards me. Head on. I'm doing 85 miles an hour. Loose. Everything. This truck's coming
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towards me. So the only thing I could think of to do because at this point, you know,
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people talk about a life review and I don't think mine was as such because I was still
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okay. But I had this black and white movie in reverse order of now when I was a childhood.
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I mean, it was a split second. I didn't have any split seconds. So whatever a split second
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equals, you know, in that timeframe, I saw this. And so I thought the only thing I had
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time for was to pray and I said, Lord, help me. Lord, help me. That's all I had time for.
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So I thought, okay, I'm going to crash. I'm likely going to die. That was already a given.
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So I thought there's no way to steer in more than I already was because I was already in.
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So I would have just slid the bike underneath the truck and got run over by the truck. If
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it had, I tried that move. So I thought the only thing I could do is flip the bike up
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with my momentum, my weight, throw it the other direction, try to go into the woods
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of which I would have definitely hit a tree at, let's say 80 miles an hour at that point
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and been hurt, but maybe not as bad as that oncoming truck. It was not going fast. My
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estimate it was going 25 to 30 miles an hour. It was coming over the hill, not expecting
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anybody on the private driveway either. So as I moved to make that move to go towards
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the woods, the truck driver, the blue Chevrolet truck was a 1965 model. It happened to be
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an old one back then in 1981. Decided to do the same thing. And I recognize now this
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is the truck of my, I call him my bother in law because he was always a bother, you know,
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rather than a brother in law. His family, his family called him a bonehead, you know,
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to be loving and fun. And so I called him bonehead too. But I recognize this was boneheads
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truck and bonehead had the same idea as I did. He was jumping to the outside to go hit
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the trees rather than hit me. So now we're both on the same head on course again, still
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all a split second. So I thought, I'm done. I'm done. There's no other. I can't steer
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the truck right here. I'm right here. We're going to hit.
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And this is all happening in one split second.
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Right. Second. And so the, the, the gift of God to save me was, was the ability to think
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I guess, but it was, it was him saving me is what ends up happening. But I thought, okay,
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the only last thing I can do is push up with my hands on both the handlebars, both my feet
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on the pegs, jumped with my legs and try to get up and over the truck because my motorcycle
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was going into it. I mean, right there.
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Now that part makes sense. Okay. I get that.
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That's right. And so now I was going to just hit the truck or fly over the truck is what
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I thought I was going to do myself and the motorcycle was going into it. So the motorcycle
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does, it hits. It was a huge loud noise. And for some reason birds could not have been
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heard singing, but I heard birds singing and they hushed their singing at this moment.
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All I could have physically heard, I'm talking about spiritually what I heard. All I could
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have physically heard was the crash of that motorcycle and it was loud. It was deafening,
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but I heard the birds go from singing to hush their singing. So I'm looking down at the
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motorcycle crash and motorcycles crumbling into the grill of that pickup truck, exploding
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parts all over loud noise. And I'm watching it, not paying any attention to what I'm doing
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because I'm flying up and over the truck. That's the last, I remember, of my physical
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memory. So what happens after this?
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The witnesses from the truck and I find out it's not bonehead driving his truck. It's
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actually my sister driving boneheads truck. They were going to a funeral of his grandfather
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who had passed away a couple of days before my sister was home from college to get her
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funeral clothes, so to speak. And that's why the truck was there. Normally it wouldn't
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have been there and they were leaving to go to that funeral. And I always say it looks
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like I was going to his funeral as well, but maybe through a private entrance.
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Yeah, shortcut.
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The witnesses, my sister and my brother-in-law, a bother-in-law was I like to call him, said
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I've somersaulted two or three times over the top of the truck and back behind the truck
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and landed slammed onto the pavement. They could see me in the mirror. They turned around
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about that time, you know, because the motorcycle in the truck had finally stopped. They saw
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me slam to the ground. I do not recall that part because during that section where they
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said I hit my head on the cab of the truck, you know, because I was looking down and so
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I hit my head on the top of their pickup truck over their heads. At that point, I felt that
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the Holy Spirit, I'm going to call him God, caught me and carried me because I don't
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remember the somersaulting. I don't remember anything else. I remember being laid down
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with my body. The next thing I do remember is that at this point, I hadn't seen my brother-in-law
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or my sister as they described that portion. I felt my spirit set up. My body was laying
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flat on its back on the top of this hill, on the pavement, crashing just two truck links
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away. I felt my spirit set up. I felt my spirit stand up and my spirit turned around. I looked
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at my dead vessel of a human body and I even scolded myself at that point. I held my hands
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out and I said, what just happened? I don't like the word levitating, but I'm not touching
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the ground. I'm not hovering. I'm just about a foot above the ground, whatever we want to
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call it, my spirit is. I'm looking at my body. I see my brother-in-law and my sister there
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at this point. They put a motorcycle seat underneath my head for comfort. There's parts
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scattered everywhere. I'm being pulled up while I'm looking down at my body. I'm being
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pulled up to about the top of the tree level. I said, Lord, I can't go. I can't go. I stopped.
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I'm watching this scene for a moment. It wasn't anything I said audible. When I say I'm speaking
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to the Lord, He already knows my thoughts. It's a spirit being relative. It's communicating
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without a vocal cord. My vocal cords are laying on the ground. My body was laying on the ground.
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My brain was laying on the ground. I give zero credit to the brain. It's all the soul.
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I'm hovering at this top of the tree level and the house is in my view and then the
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wreck is right below me. I can see my sister running frantically, running to go tell mom
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and broke my heart, broke my heart because this I caused. In this situation where I
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go see if she's breathing daily, my sister's going to give her the news that whatever news
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she's going to deliver at this point. I see my sister through the roof of the house running
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a long way. It was a rather big house to the kitchen where mom was always loved to cook.
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But at least a mom was not intoxicated yet. And my sister's running and my mother turns
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around and says, Pam, what's going on? And Pam, mom, she's out of breath. I, she was
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hesitated, killed Jeff. And mom just had a ghostly look on her face at this point. Shock.
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Her mouth just dropped open her jaw. Pam, what? What did you just say? Pam was shaking
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or body was quivering like that. She was going into shock, I believe. She's come, follow
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me, follow me. She was waving at mom, motioned her outside. Follow me. About that time, the
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good Lord pulled me forward, upward, higher. I turned to face heaven and I could see the
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bright light of the sun and it was not of the hot yellow sun. This was the sun, our
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Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I could see the light, the love. If people talk about,
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I've heard other stories. I don't watch many, but I have heard some that was a bright light.
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They try to explain what it is. And maybe they had a different vision, but I don't, I don't
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think we can explain love. It wasn't light as in a brightest white. We could see that
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doesn't hurt your eyes. It wasn't blinding. It was inviting. It was love. It was a message
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of come to me, come to me. I think it's interesting that you use interchangeably the word light
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and love. Can you explain that? Yes, because I don't think the light is a brightness or
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a color. I think it's the presence of the Lord. I think he is saying, I am here. And
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so our vision then, because possibly we're not allowed to see him, is of light and love.
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So, if it was the brightest light you've ever seen, it would be blinding, but it was not.
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So I felt like my father in heaven or my father on earth, either one, was just giving me the
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biggest warm embrace of love, a hug, if you will. So the light was of love and not of a
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luminant value. It was of a love value. So I see this light and I'm being pulled further
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and quicker. And I feel like I have an escort with me the whole time. I've mentioned that
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I felt like God caught me. And whether we want to call him, I don't like to get into
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terminology because I think we can be a little bit wrong. None of us are God. And God is
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God and thank God I'm not. I don't have to make these judgments. Whether it was God or
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the Holy Spirit that was with me, I felt like I had an escort going up. I felt the Holy Spirit
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with me or his presence. Let's go with that. However, we want to look at it. And it was
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taking me all the way up into heaven, past the clouds, past all the atmosphere and into
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a place I'm going to call the lobby of heaven. I've used that word for a few years now. The
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reason I call it a lobby is because I felt like I was walking into a big hotel where
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you're at the lobby and you know that there's a large portion of the hotel still behind
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there, but yet you're not in the large portion behind there. You're only in the lobby. So
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I felt like I was in heaven, in the lobby of heaven and not privileged to see the rest
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of it. For this, I didn't know. No. So this escort was walking me past groups of spirits
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and mostly, and again, I'm going to describe white bodies, if you will. And it wasn't white.
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Again, it was a spiritual feeling or a knowing. So as I've met you on this podcast, if I see
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you next time, I would say, I know that guy. Well, some of these spirits were in groups
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of talking on my left and some on my right as being escorted down or deeper further into
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heaven. And one guy even turned around saying, Oh, look, I know him. And the other guy turned
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like, Oh yeah, he's kind of funny. And I thought, I recognize that spirit. It wasn't a face,
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you know, it was kind of like a facial likeness, but I didn't recognize a face. I recognize
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I know that person. Now time, time was not of the essence. Time was absence. So I don't
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know if I was looking at present, past or future. And to me, it doesn't matter. So I
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don't know if I knew this person prior, or if I'm going to know this person later. I
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just had no concept of time because there wasn't any time was left with my body. That second
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I hit that truck. That's the last time I felt the essence of time. So now I felt like I
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was free and there was there was no binding of time. So my escort walks me further. I'm
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not speaking to these guys, but I'm hearing them. And I go to this clouded veil. And I
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realized now I'm in front of, I'm in front of God. And so my escort goes around this
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veil while I'm standing there. It's kind of like approaching the judge's bench. I've
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never been in trouble. By the way, I don't like to tell it story by eyes. It's criminal.
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Half the Bible was written in prison. So I'm not criticizing anybody. I felt like I was
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going to the front of a courtroom and I've done that in business ventures. And I was
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getting ready to plead my case. But in this case, I did not have to plead my case because
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it was already known that communications were already done. He knew I was concerned about
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my mother. I couldn't leave her. And as I was rising before I get there, if I can back
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up one second, the first time I hear from God is when I said, I can't leave my mother.
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I was turned around. And this was the first time he spoke and I am going to read my notes
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because I don't like to misquote it. But it says God said to me, time will heal all wounds
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as eternity is promised, not intended for healing here on earth, but in eternal heaven.
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They will be fine. Sorrows will turn to joy in the house of the Lord. And so with that,
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I was comforted, no longer sad, even though I was ashamed of myself still. So I still
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had some shame feelings, human feelings, emotions. But I knew that I had this, this, this statement
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from him that he was going to take care of. Yes, they're going to be sad while they're
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here on earth of this horrific accident I caused. If you want to call it an accident,
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I put that in quotes, because it may not have been an accident at all. As I'm approached
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the bench, so to speak, or this clouded veil, my escort goes around behind. And I know it's
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God's presence there. And I feel like there's a another presence to his right, which would
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be my left. So the Holy Spirit, all I hear at this point in my hearing was shut off my
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spiritual hearing was this as he goes, I'm aware, the voice that I'm aware. And so they
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talking on, I'm just in awe, I guess, in peace and not bliss, because I know that there's
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this hearing going on. And I have no idea what's what's going to come back. But I know
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that my plea was already made and there it's being considered. So at this point, a hand
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comes from the clouded veil from the right hand side, and the two to three fingers approach
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my chest and touch my chest. And then the hand retracts. And I feel like it was a reset
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button. And this is where I hear the words, not yet, there is more work for you to do.
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And with that, my escort was sliding me back in a way. It was it was a done deal. So I
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was happy I was going back to make amends for whatever I caused you know, all this pain
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and suffering on earth. So I was being retracted and it wasn't the slow and talk on my way
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up thing. It was I'm coming back quick. I was in in my body at this point. I felt my
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spirit in my lifeless vessel of a body. And at that point, I realize I'm back, but I
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can't move. I can't see. I can't hear. I can't talk. And I can't breathe. I'm trapped in
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that body.
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I want you to hold that thought one second because before we get too far down the road,
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I want to ask a couple questions about what happened prior to this. That hand and the
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two fingers that came through, did you feel like that was the hand of God himself touching
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you?
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Yes. And I feel like as God does not reveal revealing self to anyone that it was the arm
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of Jesus Christ. That's the only the only rational thought I can have. But it was of
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God touching me. So was it a symbolic Jesus arm? I won't have that answer, you know, but
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I know that it was it was a touch from our Lord.
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Okay. All right, that's good. And it is very normal as I've listened to a whole bunch of
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these stories for people to go quickly back into their body when it's time to go. And
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that's what happened to you too. And your body is completely lifeless. I can't wait
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now to hear what happens next. How does your body get life back?
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I pray to God again. And I felt like the little kid that nags his parents. I have a beautiful
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child, an adult child now, but I love to see a kid that goes up to the parents shirt sleeping
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daddy, mommy, mommy, daddy, you know, they're not quite paying attention. They nag and pull
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on the shirts, leaves a little bit more just cute as it can be. But I felt like that child
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nagging by praying to God because he had already heard my prayer. He had already returned me.
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I didn't know why I didn't have any life, physical life. I only had the spiritual life.
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I didn't know why I was trapped there. So I said, Lord, forgive me for asking me. I thank
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you for returning me as I requested. And I love you with all my heart. You mentioned
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I have an important project to do. Could it be that I could do the project better if I
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was mobile? If I could see, if I could breathe, if I could hear, if I could talk and if I could
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walk. And I remember saying, if not, Lord, I will do with what you have given me. But
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at that point, I felt the breath of the Lord starting from the top of my head and just
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engulfing my entire body. I could feel like not goose bumps. I call them God bumps. I
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could feel it just feeling, filling up my entire body from my head all the way past
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my hips into my legs. And all of a sudden, my spirit felt connected to my physical body.
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So at this point, I'm not quite awake yet. I know that my brother-in-law is still pounding
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on my legs saying, no, no, God, no, can't be. And I can realize my mom and my sister
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are hugging each other, looking at my lifeless body. So I said, Lord, I'm getting up and
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getting up from this wreck. I was a little bit angry at that point because I was struggling
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and I couldn't see yet, but I had everything else about me. So I started to get up and
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all of a sudden my brother-in-law said, he's moving and my sister, what? And my mother,
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they were all just in shock now because I was moving. And he said, lay down, lay down.
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Bodine was my nickname. It was not a compliment. I told you, I was from Kentucky and there
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used to be a Beverly Hill, Billy show where the guy was big and dumb and I was just for
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a bowdeam. Yeah. So because I was a Jeffrey, they called me Jeff Rowan. I wasn't the brightest
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crown on the box. So, so it was not the, and there was not a complimentary name, but he
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was yelling, Bodine, Bodine. And so I started to get up and I said, I'm going to get up
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from this wreck. I may have even said a cuss word, which I didn't intend, but I was angry.
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You know, just by myself, nothing else. And I started to get up and I muscled against
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him and it started to stand up. And so then he grabbed one arm and was starting to help.
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And then my mom or my sister, I forget which one grabbed the other one and they stood me
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up and I was blinking real heavy because I couldn't see. And so finally my vision was
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coming back at this point. It was kind of like the sun sunrise coming up over the sunset
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or over the horizon where it just slowly illuminates and gets brighter and brighter. And then I
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could see again. And so they let me go. I was kind of walking around in circles and
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all of a sudden they're jumping up and down with joy and just excited and can't believe
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what they just saw. They just witnessed a miracle. Not unlike, I might add for the
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people who don't know, I know that you know Eric, but Jesus raised Lazarus after he was
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dead for four days. So that was the longest near death out of body experience ever recorded,
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at least that I know of. And then Jesus also, of course, risen himself, but he also raised
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a young child boy and a young child girl. So this is not the first in Paul, even in
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two Corinthians 12, two mentions that he knew a man in Christ talking in third person likely
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that was out of the body and only God knoweth whether it was in the body or out of the body
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and was caught up in the third heaven. So this isn't new and I'm glad that you're sharing
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this and you know people are finding this out. But at this point, the people, my sister,
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my mother and my brother-in-law didn't have a clue. I didn't either. Maybe it might have
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heard it, but thought it was weird stuff. So they said, sit back down. You likely have internal
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bleeding of some sort. You hit and they're trying to tell me about the motorcycle wreck
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and I knew everything about it more than what they knew because I saw, you know, other
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other scenes that they weren't engaged in. So I didn't want to argue with them. I didn't
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want to say, Hey, I just had an outer body experience. I did not explain it. This just
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happened.
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And it was too soon. You had had no time to process this at all yet.
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I didn't thought to how am I going to explain this to this guy that's screaming over here
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and these two that are crying each other. So I said, okay, let's go get another car. So
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we got another car because the other two were wrecked and we got in the car and I think
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my brother-in-law stayed there. I think my mom was driving and my sister was with me.
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So we went around the wreck and I was, I remember going past it going, Oh my goodness. Thank
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you Lord, you know, because I could just see this motorcycle destroyed into this heavy
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gauge steel pickup truck that was damaged also. And so we go around and go out to long
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driveway the other way and head towards town where I am now. Actually, I've been gone from
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this town for 35 years, but I'm back in the same southern Indiana town. So we go to the
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hospital about 15 miles away. Real quiet. Mom was driving like a maniac. Thank God she
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was mostly sober because she was cutting through gas stations and everything else. They can,
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my son has internal bleeding. I got to get him there so that we can stop the bleeding.
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They're net. He looks all right. So I thought, you know, I almost died in the motorcycle
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crash, but I think I'm really going to die this time. I sang it onto the handles.
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Oh, that's funny. That'd be bad to have two NDEs in one day from two different things.
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So I said, Mom, slow down. I'm all right. I'm all right. Anyway, 15 minutes later, we
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pull into the ER hospital and my sister runs frantic and they're carrying me in real quick.
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And I could, I could see people arms bandaged up, you know, but they did whatever they could
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at home to get to the ER. People that were really hurt and really sick. And then here
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I walk in and go to the nurse up there and she's what happened. And my sister said high
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speed motorcycle wreck. He ran into a pickup truck not wearing a helmet flipped over the
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truck three or four car lengths. And so the lady stopped escorting me back to the, to
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the doctor. Passed all these patients that were really hurt. So sort of had a guilt trip
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on that one. And doctors, what happened? So the nurse repeats, you know, what happened?
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The doctor's looking everywhere. And where'd you hit? I thought of my hit right there.
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And I don't see anything. And so he's looking at my eyes, looking at my ears and checking
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my neck and breathing and other things. And slows down. He does another lap now that he's
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not in a hurry. And then the third time he says, so tell me what happened. I told him
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briefly that I had a high speed motorcycle probably done a hundred miles an hour, maybe
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85 when I hit, they hit the top of the truck, according to what they said. And I laid there
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lifeless. I did not go into the story with him because again, I haven't processed it.
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How do I explain it to a guy? I don't. And nobody talked about it back then.
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No, not, not much. I don't think I ever really heard it. If I did, it was, you know, something
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I maybe didn't believe. He says, I'm going to leave you here for a moment and go out
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and speak to your family. And so I'm praying, God show me, show me what this is all about.
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And thank you. And I'm sitting on the bed, you know, with a white crinkly liner on the
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bed and making little noises that they have in the hospital and waiting for the doctor
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to return and I'm in meditative prayer. And I have a photograph because we were trying
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to sell the property at the time and I dropped a piece of paper. This is the actual crash
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scene. So I would have come.
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So Jeff, if you could send me that, if you have a way to send me that picture, we can
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post that with the show notes and some other things. So people can see what you're showing
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me. Okay. And I think I got a photo of the photo.
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So I'll tell them, I know that they're not seeing this video. It's beautiful place. It's
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a long driveway. And then going up to that was the blind hill. So you can see their view
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was blind as well as mine. So we both were hitting the crest of the hill. So the doctor
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goes out and he comes back in, kind of folds his hands across his chest, stares at me and
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takes a breath and he sighs a little bit. Not just head, yes. Comes closer to me and
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he puts one hand on one knee, face to my face and the other hand on my other knee and he's
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rather close. He said, do you believe in God? And I thought, I don't have to explain anything.
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This guy already knows. I said, I absolutely do. And I shake in my head, yes. And he followed
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up and he said, do you believe in miracles? So I had kind of a grin on my face at that
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point. So I thought, yeah, God's in on this. There's a connection here. And I said, yes,
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I do. He said, well, I've heard your story. Talk to your family. I can't find anything
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wrong with you. He said, so not even a scratch on your head where you hit this truck, it
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knocked you out and sent you flying over the truck. He said, so seeing no injuries, I'm
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going to send you on your journey. And he used the word journey. I just love that man.
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I wish I knew who he was. I wish I spoke to him later. But this is again, something I
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didn't talk about, you know, too much to, except for the people that heard about it.
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You know, then. So we went, got back into car, we're leaving no bill. He didn't bill us for
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anything, which was nice as well. Another miracle. Yes. That's the bigger miracle.
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I don't want to say that, but that's where I was headed. And so we got back in the car
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is real subdued. It was very quiet and we were all just, you know, thankful and mom
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kind of looks over as we're going back into normal speed. She's not driving reckless now
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because we have the good news that we couldn't detect any internal bleeding. Anybody hungry?
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I said, no, you know, because I was just still thankful, still praying, still loving God,
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still embracing him, you know, and what that gift he gave me. My sister said, no, she's
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she's not either. And so we didn't talk about it much. Okay. So life returns back to normal.
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If there is such a thing never was in my life, normal. There's always a normal abnormality
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in our life, but mom goes back to her pattern of drinking not long after that. And so I
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get more worried. And at this point I've graduated. I've had this wreck. And so I think she's
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going to die. I think it's whether she knew it or not. It was a suicide mission. I don't
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know if it was her intent, but that's what was going to happen. Wasn't going to be her
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killing herself necessarily, but an overdose would have been called maybe accidental, but
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that's there was there was no recourse. She was not getting better. She was getting worse.
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So I held and here I am again, a blonde from Kentucky for those that can't see the image.
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And so I have two excuses. One I'm a blonde and the other one is I'm from Kentucky. I
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didn't know what the word intervention meant, but I started to hold one and it wasn't me
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that was holding that intervention. It was the Holy Spirit was holding that intervention
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through me because I was guided. I was guided the whole way. I had no clue of what to do.
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So the first thing I do is call the doctor across the lake actually. Oh, I won't mention
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his name because it's, oh, I will, I will mention his name because it's funny and he's
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long, long gone and graduated life. But his name was Dr. Cure C-U-R-E.
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Very appropriate.
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He was our neighbor across the lake. So I call Dr. Cure. Forgive me, family. I love you
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on. I love Dr. Cure. If this is not comforting to you.
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He's listening right now.
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Yes. And so he came over and he, he spoke to her for about a half hour with me there,
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maybe an hour that I wasn't there. There wasn't any aha moment, you know, when he left, he
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did what he could. So that was part of it. So the Holy Spirit led me to call grandma.
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Grandma was the one that had the nervous problem. Couldn't say the word drunk for years. And
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I call her and she's extremely sad. I go pick her up. I physically bring her there. I had
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to hide all the alcohol and drugs I could find for these four or five days. And I am
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certain I did not find a hundred percent of it, which is a good thing because this could
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have caused other physical problems of a serious health issue from all of a sudden cold turkey
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relapse kind of thing.
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So mom seemed mostly sober and she kept asking me, where did, Jeffrey, did you find my, you
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know, this and that? No, I don't know, I lied. I lied because I wanted her to be somewhat
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sober minded for this intervention. So grandma shows up and grandma, it was, it was torturous
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to both of us for me to watch grandma, for grandma to see mom in this sunken face, weathered
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look of death. She was white, grayish color. She was not going to make it long. And for
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me to watch my grandmother is just very sad to tell the story now because grandmother
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came from a abusive marriage of where her husband was an alcoholic and abused both her
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and my mother. So my mother starts with this pattern, you know, as a child and was not a
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drunk until dismiss diagnosis of her spine. So they defeated it once and it's back to
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haunt him again. So grandma talks to her for a long time. I called my sister in, my sister
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talks to her for another day. I called a minister in and I wish I could remember the name of
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the minister. I don't. I was friends with five or six at the time. One of them showed up
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and talked to her. Nothing really happened. And yet I persisted because I was being nudged.
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I was being guided by the Holy Spirit to do this. The last day I invited the school counselor.
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And that's where the story ties into the beginning. The school counselor that sent me to that
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class. She talks to mom. She says Mrs. Welsh Gloria, she called her the wrong first name
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basis. Do you realize that your son Jeff did not graduate high school? Mom was extremely
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confused. What do you mean? She hesitated. I saw you. I went there. I saw him graduate.
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He went across the stage. She said yes, he did. Yes, he did. Jeff and I had a couple
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meetings and I'm going to share this with you. He did not pass. He in fact failed all
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of his grades for being absent most of the last several weeks, eight weeks, nine weeks,
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whatever the period was. So on the average, there's no way he could survive. He started
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off at pretty good grades and he flunked everything. He incompletes. She said I made him a report
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card. It's all left. And he looked at it and acknowledged it. He was willing to accept
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that. She said, no, I made him another report card. I slid it across my desk to him. And
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this one said all HPs. And I asked Jeff, do you know what that means? And Jeff answered,
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no. She means, she says it means honorary passing. And I am going to pass Jeff. And
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I had this meeting with him, gave him the gown and then therefore you came and saw the
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graduation. Now I have in fact made another high school diploma. I have two of them. I
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have the last one, but I'd seen three of them total. The last one, she said I took the average
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of his good years about three or four years ago when you and your husband were together
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for a short period, which were A's and B's. And averaged them with D minuses. You can't
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average them with F's. It comes out still poorly, I guess that way. She says, and he's
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a well represented C student. And I will back that up 100%. In case he ever wants to go
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to college, you need to transcript. It doesn't say all F's or HPs. So she made this one up
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for me. I have that one to this date. So mom, mom is saying that I'm shocked, you know,
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and start crying and breaking down. And it was a hug vest at that point between the three
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of us. And mom is sober and is worn out and just falls asleep right after the counselor
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leaves. She slept for like a day and a half. Next morning she woke up, she saw me at the
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breakfast table and she said, I have quit drinking. I have quit taking prescription drugs.
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I'm done. And from that day forward, she was sober and she remained sober for another 35
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years. Now there was an occasional go out with the family. Somebody give her a glass
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of wine and that just scared me to death. Occasionally she tried some other pain medicines,
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but she didn't. She never went back to an addicted state of mind. She remained sober.
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So there was one miracle after another. And the sweetest one was mom being sober and graduating
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life and going to meet our Lord having finished well.
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That's a fantastic story. Do you remember the counselor's name?
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Yes.
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Would you mind telling everybody she deserves it?
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She does. And of course she was elderly then. And I've looked her up recently knowing that
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that's 40 years past, but her last name was house, Mrs. House. And that's not the name
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people called her, but she was Mrs. House and she was the sweetest angel I have ever
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met on the face of this earth. Just so sweet. She knew what I needed. So let's give credit
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to the Lord and the Holy Spirit again, God can hurt. But it took this lady to be brave
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and to do this and to make these moves for me.
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So I can't say enough about her. I wish. And I did after mom got sober. So thank you for
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reminding me, Erica was not going there with the story. Two years later, I bought a small
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furniture factory in which I was grateful. I thought, you know what? This isn't about
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me. This is about the T H E E about God. And one of those people that helped me in that
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case was Mrs. House. So I got on the telephone and I called her up. She said, Mrs. House,
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this is Jeff and we had a nice conversation. Oh my goodness. How you doing? That's why
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that's that's the point of me calling. I'm doing, I'm doing okay. And so I use those
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words again, you know, with that I'm okay class.
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So she said, Well, tell me what you're doing as well. I went to college. I quit twice.
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I was so far behind academically, it was too tough. I had this opportunity to buy this
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business. So I went and signed on the bottom line, you know, for a lot of money, debt,
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and it wasn't making money. I said, I was I was able to turn around me, make it successful.
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And now I have some three buyers that want to make an acquisition and buy the company.
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And I have to thank my employees, but I have to thank you first because you helped me get
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me to this point. So I did have that thankful conversation with her. It just was two years
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later and I'd love to have seen her decades later, but that wasn't a physical possibility.
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So it seems like the message and I won't show you a picture. I'll send it to you. I will
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show it to Eric, but I'll explain to viewers when I was on that crinkly white paper in
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the hospital. This is the image I had. And I remembered that I was a seven year old.
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I was an alcoholic drink at communion at church. My mother having all those issues. And then
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John two came to mind of Jesus turning water to wine. Well, I have done a deep theological
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study on this subject and you already know in many people that strong faith and strong
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knowledge realize that from Hebrew to Greek to Latin, the word wine has two meanings and
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they're opposing. You squash a grape on the ground. It's grape juice, but from Hebrew
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to Greek, they called it wine. Also, when that grape juice ferments seven to 30 days
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later, it is called wine and it's alcoholic because it's fermented. So the word wine is
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for both grape juice and the word wine is for alcoholic wine. And so Jesus, given his
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life saving all of us from a life of sin, teaches us that he's not going to sit, a drunkard
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shall not inherit the kingdom of the Lord. So in no way whatsoever could I think even
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as a young child and through this experience that Jesus would make people drunk at a wedding
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or otherwise and to where they could not inherit the kingdom of the Lord. So why, why go through
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the crucifixion? If he's going to make people drunk, so the answer is the word has two opposing
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meanings. One is grape juice of wine. The other is fermented wine that's alcoholic. The Bible
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is very clear. If you go to Proverbs 21, it's the clearest verse of all, which states for
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all of us to stay away from wine and strong drink. So God is not conflicting. And that's
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why I'm not a writer, but I have written and I think I may have already shared that with
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you if I haven't Eric, I'll send you a copy of that too. But that was my purpose. So throughout
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life, I've picked up all these puzzle pieces from three year old, seven year old, teenager,
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19 year old, having an outer body experience, sitting in the emergency room, mom becoming
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sober, other drunkenness issues in my life, not between my immediate family, but extended
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in friends and family, buried some. I look back now as an older person in the last five
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years, but all these puzzle pieces and try to figure out which we can, but I try to follow
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God's map, his tapestry of my life. And so putting these puzzle pieces together in this
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tapestry has led me to sharing and writing and doing what I do today. So I can't thank
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you enough, Eric, for being a part of that divine plan that's still playing itself out.
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Well, thank you. I appreciate it. We just have a minute left. I would love you. You have
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learned so much over your life and experienced so much starting with very difficult things.
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Can you leave our listeners with a message of hope? Give us something to take away from
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all this. I wrote this about five hours ago, anticipating your question. I was on a work
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break on my job I just started today. So I use my work break to write this and I would
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love to share it with you in closing, be receptive, be open, be connected to the Holy Spirit,
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recognize signs of life's puzzle pieces, be ready to serve a purpose once puzzle pieces
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from a tapestry of life is imagined, be thankful for all the life's experiences, both negative
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and positive for it has shaped and molded us into who we are and then in turn our focus
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to serve whose we are. Love and give all of our heart, soul, mind and energy to our Lord
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in Jesus' name. Live life and finish well. Amen. Thanks a lot, Jeff. Thank you, my friend.
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