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One of life's greatest questions is what happens to us after we die?
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Is death the end or a new beginning?
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Welcome to the Roundtrip Death Podcast.
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In this show, we listen to first-hand accounts of people who have gone beyond the veil and
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return to talk about it.
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We are ending our first season of the show with a big celebrity on today.
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A little bit different kind of format.
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We have with us Mark Anthony, JD's psychic explorer, also known as the psychic lawyer.
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Now just to tell you a little bit more about Mark, he is a fourth-generation psychic medium
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who communicates with spirits.
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And here's the big thing, he is an Oxford-educated attorney, licensed to practice law in Florida,
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Washington, D.C. and before the U.S. Supreme Court.
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He appears nationwide on TV and radio, including CBS's The Doctors and Gaia TV's Beyond Belief
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with George Norrie.
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Whole lots of other credentials behind him.
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He has spoken at conferences and universities, including Brown, Columbia, Harvard, Yale.
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This guy has a resume a mile long.
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He also most recently is author of the bestseller, The Afterlife Frequency, which is the gold
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winner of the C.O.V.R. Visionary Awards and was up for a Pulitzer and ranked as one of
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the top books about faith in God.
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His other bestselling books are Never Letting Go and Evidence of Eternity.
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Mark, it is so good to have you on today.
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Thanks, Eric.
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It's great to be here.
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It was fun, we were talking before the show about the recent launch down in Florida.
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Did you happen to see that?
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Artemis won.
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You know, the night that it went up, I was asked to be on coast to coast AM to speak
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about of all things near-death experiences.
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The title of that episode was Ancient Mysteries Reveal New Discoveries.
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I'm close enough to the cape that I knew when it went up because I could feel the house
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rumbling from the sonic booms.
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Unfortunately, I didn't get to see it, but my neighbor said it lit up the sky like the
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sun itself was coming up.
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Those things used to be so huge.
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They were on every single TV channel live, and now we take them for granted, which seems
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a little ridiculous.
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But anyway, you have not only had your own NDE, you're an expert on the topic, and a
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lot of things related to it.
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Could you give us a little bit of understanding here about what it takes for people who have
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had one of these experiences to actually not only comprehend it, but figure out what it
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means for them?
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It can take years, even an entire lifetime.
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I had my NDE when I was four years old.
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The reason that I don't go into it in interviews is because it's such a key component to my
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latest book, The Afterlife Frequency.
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For the listeners who want to find out about my NDE and how it took years for the significance
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of it to unfold, it's essential to read the afterlife frequency.
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But both of my parents had NDE's.
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My dad had two, and my mother had at least one.
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My dad was 16 years old when he was in this horrific car accident.
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He said the next thing he knew, he was floating.
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He said about 30, 40 feet above the accident, and he saw the crumpled cars and all these
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people running to his body.
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They pulled him out, and they were doing CPR on him.
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He said, I saw this light, and I heard this voice.
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He said, I felt, wow, I'm dead.
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This feels great.
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I remember dad saying, this feels great.
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The voice, and dad said, it wasn't the voice that you hear when you think.
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It was a different voice.
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His name was Earl, and the voice said, Earl, you have to go back.
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Dad then said the next thing he knew, he was in his body again.
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He goes, Mark, it hurt like hell.
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So there he was, a teenager.
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Then after that, he was in the Navy, and he had served as a Navy SEAL.
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And so about, gosh, it had to be 10, almost 15 years later, he was out of the Navy, but
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he was a scuba diver.
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And he was diving off the coast of New Jersey, and they were in really deep water, 125 feet.
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And he said that his regulator jammed.
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Now that's never a good thing, and especially in those days, they didn't have any backup
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or emergency oxygen supply or anything.
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And he said he started sucking water, and he said, Mark, I was drowning.
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And at 125 feet, there's nothing you can do.
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He said, that's it.
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He said, there I was again, that floating sensation, the light, and the voice said, Earl, it's
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not your time again.
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You have to go back.
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He said, Mark, I have absolutely no idea how my regulator started working again.
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But I started getting oxygen, I cleared my mask, and I made it to the surface.
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And he cleaned from that, that there was too much that he had to do in his life.
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And my mother, who was a very gifted psychic medium, both my parents like me were mediums.
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And I know that the focus of this program is not necessarily about mediumship, but it's
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hard to talk about communication with our loved ones in spirit through an NDE without
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mediumship, because they use similar energetic modalities, and that's why there's an overlap.
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And my mother was particularly close to her father.
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And in my first book, Never Letting Go, one of my early memories, and really, Eric, the
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only memory I have of my mother's father, she was super close to her father, who's very
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religious, very Catholic, venerated all the saints.
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And he always wore this fedora hat.
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And he was from Italy, so I spoke with this Italian accent, he was like this real suave,
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Italian kind of a guy.
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And he was very, very ill, he was dying of cancer.
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And I remember my mother brought me to the hospital to see him in New York.
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We were living in Florida, dad, we had moved down there to Florida because of aerospace.
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And two weeks later, it was a Sunday morning, and my mom woke up, and she was staring at
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the doorway of her bedroom.
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And my dad looked up and he said, Jeannie, what's going on?
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And she goes, daddy?
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And she saw her father standing in the doorway of her bedroom.
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She said he looked young and handsome.
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He had these rosy cheeks, and he was wearing his fedora, and he always trusts, you know,
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he had the best Italian suits.
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And he tipped his hat to her, which is something he always did when he left the room.
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And she said, he didn't say anything, but I heard in my head, there is something beyond
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this life, and it is wonderful.
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That was, I think, was 7.704 in the morning.
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Mom was hysterical crying, all my brother, sister and I, we all woke up.
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Why is mommy crying?
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And she called her brother, mother, she couldn't get a sister, she couldn't get hold of anyone.
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And then around 9 o'clock, my uncle called and said, daddy died this morning.
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She goes, when?
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He goes, 7 a.m.
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So at the precise moment of his death, he came to see her.
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Now we now know this as a shared death experience.
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And shared death experiences typically occur for people who are in close proximity to the
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person who is dying, but not always.
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And in my life, I've experienced this on a number of occasions.
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But when I was a teenager, my mother had Crohn's disease and her intestines actually burst.
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And I would never forget being at the hospital.
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And my dad, he's a Navy SEAL, okay?
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And the surgeon came out and said to us, he goes, I don't think she's going to live.
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We're going to lose her.
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And I'll never forget my dad walking right up to the surgeon, looking him right in the
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eyes and saying, if she dies, you die.
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Oh, how did he take that?
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Well, yeah.
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And let me tell you, dad, he was like 5'10".
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He was one of these 6'4 guys, but man, when dad went into SEAL mode, it was like, my brother
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and I are standing there like, oh my God.
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Well, he races back into the operating room.
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They lost my mom for six minutes, but they got her heart going.
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My mother said she went into the light.
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And she said that she encountered my great-grandmother, Giovanna, who was very well known in the early
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1900s, well, her whole life as the woman who knows things.
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She was very gifted, a medium, and in fact, even high-ranking officials from the Catholic
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Church, she used to consult with her cardinals, bishops, mother superiors.
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And she encountered her grandmother, Giovanna, and then her father stepped forward and said,
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Jeannie, it's a nod to your time.
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You have too much to do.
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And she came back.
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And so, Eric, this is the household I grew up in.
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I had an NDE when I was four.
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My parents had NDE's, and it was just something that we did not take for granted.
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Yeah.
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So, you've been studying this your whole life.
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It's been my whole life, yes.
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Yeah.
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It's been your whole life.
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There's probably isn't an answer for this, but it's something that I ponder on, and that
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is why some people are given a choice of whether they want to come back or not, and others,
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like your father, are just told, you need to go back.
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Do you have any thoughts on why that might be?
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I do.
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Free will is a gift from God.
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Now, when I talk about God, I remember I talked to some friends recently that I hadn't seen
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for years about God.
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And I said, look, when I say God, I don't mean an erotic white guy sitting on a throne
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with a scepter, smiting people.
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I believe in the energetic link between all of us, which is based on quantum mechanics.
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And there's a day we're coming in, a day we're going out, and what we do in between is the
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choice that we have over.
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But it does appear in some NDE's is the choice is yours.
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But in my research, most of the time, the message from the collective consciousness,
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from the vast wisdom, is that you have to go back.
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We even saw this in J.K.
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Rowling's Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows.
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When Harry, in the very final book in that series, he dies, and he goes to, I think,
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his Victoria station or whatever, and he sees Dumbledore comes into the light.
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And Dumbledore, Harry goes, well, am I dead?
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And Dumbledore basically says, well, that's your choice.
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And I think that's really fascinating the way NDE's have been part of our literature,
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part of our culture for really for centuries.
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And so the choice aspect does occasionally come up, but I'm pretty sure that when you
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and you get to a certain stage in your near death experience, and they tell you, you got
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to go back, that's because you have to.
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And I think that it's also part of that is sharing this experience with other people,
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which of course, as you all know, is not always welcomed in people's families or religions
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or social circles.
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No, I've talked to so many people that said, especially if their NDE was years ago, 20,
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30, 40 years ago, where it was just not accepted, and they were told, you sound crazy, be quiet,
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don't talk about it anymore.
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And also people who are telling me, yeah, I was and I don't want to name any religions,
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but I was this religion.
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When I told my pastor, minister, whoever about it, he just said, no, or that's of the devil
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or, or, you know, basically take that back.
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That didn't really happen.
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And they're like, it did happen.
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It was extremely real.
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So what do we do with this?
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But I wanted to congratulate you because we've done over 40 episodes of this show, and you're
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the first person to mention Harry Potter in that whole time.
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So congratulations.
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I didn't know how long we were going to go without it, but now we know the answer to
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that.
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Okay, before we go on, I had one other question for you.
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The whole shared death experience phenomenon I find extremely interesting too.
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And I hadn't really thought about the fact that you could have a shared death experience
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with someone who is a long ways away.
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I kind of assumed you had to be in the room with them when they die.
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That seems to being in close physical proximity seems to be the norm.
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But in the afterlife frequency, I introduced the concept of the electromagnetic soul, which
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explains it's the basis for all forms of interdimensional communication.
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Shared death and shared death experiences, death bed visions and DBVs, death bed visions
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and shared death experiences are very closely overlapped.
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Mediumship visitations when a spirit will come to you in the dream state.
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And I know we want to focus on NDEs, SDEs and DBVs, death bed visions, so we will.
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But the electromagnetic soul, I've spent my lifetime developing this theory and it's
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been endorsed by the scientific community or at least the afterlife research and survival
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of consciousness wing of the scientific community.
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Every great spiritual teacher from ancient India through Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus,
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Confucius, Lao-Zu, Muhammad, all the way up to the modern day, Native American spirituality,
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the religions of the Pacific, because I've studied all of these and I'm always studying
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more, teach that the soul, the consciousness, the who and what we are pre-exist the body,
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comes into the body, moves on after the body dies.
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We know that from the field of neuroscience, which studies the human brain, that our entire
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nervous system has an electrical field.
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And while the brain accounts for something like 4% of the body's weight, it uses over
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20% of the body's electrical energy.
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In other words, the electromagnetic field in our brain, and we know from the, I think
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it's the first law in thermodynamics and physics, that energy is neither created nor destroyed
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only transferred.
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So combining faith and science, I created the term the electromagnetic soul to describe
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what we really are, which is pure consciousness, that is eternal electromagnetic energy.
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And that, that Eric is the basis for us understanding the science of near-death, shared-death experiences,
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death bedvisions, mediumship and so on and so forth.
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But I'll, I'll focus my discussion on the NDEs and the SDEs.
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So there are five different brain wave frequencies, gamma, alpha, theta, excuse me, gamma, beta,
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alpha, theta, delta.
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Gamma is when you're in the jeopardy tournament of champions, all right?
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Your brain is just cooking.
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Yeah, that's when you're like running full throttle.
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Beta is, is the activities for daily living, the awake state, I can drive my car, balance
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my checkbook, you know, use a computer, talk.
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When you begin to relax and go into the meditative state or, or you start to fall asleep, you
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go into alpha.
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And then when you go into dreaming sleep, that's theta.
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Delta has very little brain wave activity, but that's real important because that's when
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your body is diverting energy to healing and, you know, cellular regeneration.
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But it's the alpha, theta border where psychic and mediumistic type activities occur and
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spirits are able to see that.
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And when people are in that state, spirits will adjust their frequency down to the alpha,
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theta frequency so that we can have contact.
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So what we've seen in 2022, two huge developments in near death experience research in February
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of 2022 in Tartu, Estonia, an 87 year old man had a stroke rushed to the hospital.
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He's hooked up to an EEG and electron cephalogram and they're monitoring his brain waves and
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he has a massive heart attack and dies.
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Never before in history had someone died while being administered in EEG and what happened
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to astonished medical professionals worldwide, all five brain wave frequencies surged off
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the scale.
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Now November 6th, 2022, the Grossman Institute of New York University released a study called
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Lucid Dying and it was conducted at 25 hospitals between the US and the UK and there were over
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almost 600 people who were hooked up to EEGs while being given CPR.
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And one in five of them who flatlined and then came back, every single one of them, their
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brain wave frequency surged so the data is consistent with what happened in Tartu, Estonia.
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But one in five of them returned with details of going into the light, the very classic
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description of near death experiences.
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So now how does my electromagnetic solv theory fit into this?
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You see a light bulb has an aura because there's an energy field around it.
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So think of an incandescent bulb that suddenly gets real bright and burns out.
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We've all seen this.
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It's the same thing with our brain.
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Our brain did not create our consciousness.
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It didn't create our electromagnetic soul.
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It hosts it.
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Similarly, the tungsten in the filament of a incandescent light bulb did not create the
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electricity that flows through it.
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It merely regulates it.
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So when we're dying, our brain begins to degrade and it's no longer able to host the amount
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of energy of the electromagnetic soul.
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So it spikes.
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That's why when somebody is actively dying, their brain waves, their electromagnetic souls
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frequency expands.
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People in close proximity to the dying person, family members and dear friends, hospice workers,
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other healthcare workers, their brain wave frequencies and their electromagnetic souls
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pick up on this.
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And that's why people in close proximity to somebody dying, even though they're not an
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imminent threat of dying, will experience a floating sensation.
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They may actually see the spirits that are coming to greet the person in transition.
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And they may actually see, as I have on a number of occasions, a surge of white light
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coming out of the person's body before they die.
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So this isn't some woohoo, airy-fairy, granola snorting theory.
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This is based on neuroscience and quantum physics, plus on objective, the scientific
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method of objectively analyzing people who are dying while administering an EEG to collect
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and corroborate the data.
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So we're at the threshold of very exciting times, Eric.
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For centuries, people have talked about NDE's and you're crazy and blah, blah, blah.
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And now we're starting to see that this is real.
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Yeah.
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I'm glad that there's finally some science behind it.
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I know some of the people listening today are thinking, I want to believe this.
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I don't know if I believe it.
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How can they, what can they learn from that science?
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Is there anything else that you want to explain about it to help them get off that fence?
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Well, I'd say the first thing you need to do is get my book, The Afterlife Frequency.
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And well, the thing is though that I spent years doing the research and I spent the better
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part of five years writing it because I wanted to present the science of the afterlife in
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a credible fashion.
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But my books read like novels.
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So don't be afraid that you're going to be stuck reading some algebra textbook.
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That's not going to happen.
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And I'm giving a very shortened description of the electromagnetic soul theory and the
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frequency overlap theory.
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But we are seeing this more and more and it's being reported more and more that when people
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who are in close proximity to a dying person, they get caught up maybe in even in the person's
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life review.
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And the life reviews, the proverbial, my life flashed before my eyes.
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And we've all heard that expression as part of our culture.
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But that's also part of what happens as the EMS, the electromagnetic soul, begins to separate
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from the vessel that hosts it.
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Think of your brain as a computer hard drive.
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Your computer hard drive did not create Windows 10, Windows 11 or whatever operating system
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you're using, nor did your computer create the data that's on it.
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It merely hosts it.
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And when it crashes, when the body dies, that information stays coherent, yet is uploaded
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to a higher vibrational frequency.
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You've also done some study on the history of near-death experiences.
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Tell us a little bit about that.
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There's so many wonderful stories.
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I love when people say, well, that's against Scripture.
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Is it?
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No, I've seen one of your talks where you use a lot of Scripture.
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So let's hear some of it.
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Yeah, Jonah in the whale.
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So Jonah is a prophet, and God tells him to go to Nineveh, which is in modern-day Iraq.
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And he's like, I don't want to go to Iraq.
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Apparently, it was problematic over 3,000 years ago because Jonah lived in the Old Testament
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era, which would be the Bronze Age, roughly eight to nine centuries before the birth of
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Christ.
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So he hops on a ship that's headed for Spain.
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I guess southern Spain was a vacation destination even in the Bronze Age.
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Much better than Nineveh.
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Much better than Nineveh.
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Yeah, good beaches, the whole thing.
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Exactly.
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And so heavy seas hit, and the crew figures out that Jonah disobeyed the Word of God,
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so they promptly threw him overboard.
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And the Lord sends a great fish to swallow Jonah, and he's in the belly of the fish for
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three days and three nights until it's vomited up, and Jonah survives.
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But the thing is, this, I believe, is a metaphor for a near-death experience.
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So Jonah, or whoever the description is about, may have drowned or may have had some other
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type of malady or problem where he was in an inert state for three days.
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And if you read the actual passage, it talks about descending to the bottom of the mountain,
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but then the Lord rises me up.
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And after the experience, Jonah embraces his piety and continues on his spiritual mission,
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also not an unusual after-effect of an NDE.
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Many people become very spiritual.
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Well, in support of our friends who take a literal interpretation of Scripture, even
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though a whale's esophagus is only five inches in diameter, in June of 2022, Michael Packard,
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a lobster diver, was lobster diving off of Cape Cod, and suddenly he felt engulfed, and
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he was in total darkness.
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At first he thought a great white had hit him, but then he realized it wasn't because
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he didn't feel any teeth.
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A humpback whale had swallowed him, but it didn't take him into his stomach because
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it couldn't fit.
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So humpback whales don't eat people.
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They eat krill in little tiny organisms.
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So this whale's probably like, what is this?
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And he said, but Packard said, I'm done, I'm dead.
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That's what he thought.
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And the next thing he knew, the whale spit him out.
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And people saw this, this huge whale comes up and spits a person out.
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You don't see that every day.
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And he's taken to the hospital.
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So in ancient times, if this happened to you, you ended up in Scripture.
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But in the 21st century, you end up on the Jimmy Kimmel show, like Michael Packard did,
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and being held as the modern day Jonah.
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So for our literalist friends, yes, you can get engulfed by a whale, maybe not for three
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days.
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But let me tell you.
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Being inside of a whale's mouth for 30 seconds would feel like an awfully long time.
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Now there's other passages in Scripture, which I describe in my books.
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But one of my favorite is in the first book of Corinthians, where the apostle Paul.
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So now we've moved from the Bronze Age into the Iron Age era of the New Testament, where
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Paul talks about, I know a man in Christ who ascended to the third heaven.
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Somebody came back.
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And I'm paraphrasing here.
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Throughout Scripture, there are three levels of heaven in the Judeo-Christian religious
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philosophy.
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In Genesis, the first level is the sky.
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Then there is the second level, which is the stars.
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And then in Corinthians, the third level is the realm of God.
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So essentially, there's different frequencies to the heavens.
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And many people think that Paul was describing his own near-death experience.
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We know from Christian tradition that Paul's name originally was Saul of Tarsus.
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And he actually was a Roman citizen.
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He was a Hebrew who was a Roman citizen, but he worked with the Romans in hunting down
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and persecuting Christians.
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So he's on his way to Damascus and gets hit by this bright white light and lays there for
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three days as if he's dead and then comes out of it.
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Paul completely changed.
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So I believe that Paul was, and I'm not alone in this, many theologians agree that Paul was
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writing in the book of Corinthians, the first book of Corinthians, about his own end.
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But let's fast forward to the Victorian era.
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Very Christmas, how many times do we see a different version of Charles Dickens, a Christmas
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Carol?
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And we all know, you know, Ebenezer Scrooge, he's miserable, nasty, and he's mean to Bob
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Cratchit, who's got little tiny Tim, and he doesn't want to give money to charity.
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And he's just a rotten guy.
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He's the very epitome of ego, edging God out of materialism, of self-centered behaviors.
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And so it's Christmas Eve and he goes home and he encounters the spirit of his former
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partner, Jacob Marley, who's covered in all these chains and the chains have money boxes
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on them.
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And Jacob Marley is like, you know, don't end up like me.
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Well, then of course, we all know the story that throughout the night, three different
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spirits, the ghosts of Christmas past, present, and future, come to visit Ebenezer Scrooge.
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The ghost of Christmas past shows Ebenezer what he was like when he was a young man.
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He was a nice guy.
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But then materialism started taking hold.
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The ghost of Christmas present shows him now he is a completely narcissistic, self-centered,
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very selfish person, uncaring, unthinking.
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So this could be construed as the life review, both the ghost of Christmas past and the ghost
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of Christmas present.
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But then the ghost of Christmas future shows him what happens when he dies and how people
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laugh at him there.
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They're making fun of him over his body and how when he's buried, it may have well have
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been that he'd never even existed.
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And this could be interpreted as what's known as a DNDE, a distressing near death experience,
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also nicknamed a hellish NDE.
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And we can get into that more after this.
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Yeah, we've had a handful of those on this show too.
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Sure.
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That ended up having happy endings.
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Yeah.
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And so did Scrooge when he came out of all this.
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He's like, oh my God, I've been a really horrible person.
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He gives Bob Cratcheter raised, Tiny Tim doesn't die, and then he reunites with his nephew
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and his family.
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Charles Dickens, when he began to examine not just the writer, but the man, this guy
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had a very exciting life.
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He was in several accidents, almost died many times, even walked away from a train wreck
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at one point in his life.
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And myself and Dr. Bruce Grayson, and there's a couple other NDE researchers, we examined
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this and it appears that the idea of the Christmas Carol, the inspiration for it, very well may
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have been Charles Dickens' own near death experiences.
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And what's so fascinating about this, Eric, is they didn't even have a term for it then.
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And we're talking the 1830s, 1840s when he wrote this, but this phenomenon had been reported
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and was known for centuries.
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I mean, since biblical times, I mean, even the ancient Greeks, Plato in his book, Republic,
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writes about this warrior, his name was Ur, and Ur goes into battle, he's killed, and
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then the Greeks put him on a funeral pyre, and they're about to torque up the funeral
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pyre, he comes back to life.
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NDE researchers, myself included, believe that Plato was writing about his own NDE,
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and here is what's really notable about this.
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Ur talks about going through a tunnel into a light.
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Ur talks about meeting deceased relatives.
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Ur talks about a sense of being connected to everyone and everything.
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Ur talks about a series of lifetimes, but we must drink from the well of forgetfulness
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between lifetimes.
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The ancient Greeks did not believe in reincarnation, and he just described reincarnation.
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Nor did they believe in going through a tunnel into the light.
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They didn't believe the interconnectedness.
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They had Hades, and if you were good, you went to the Elysium Fields and got to go be
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a warrior, if you were lousy, you went to Tartarus and were subjected to all these punishments.
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What Plato wrote about transcended philosophically anything in the ancient Greek and eventually
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Roman religions.
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We can see from ancient times up to today, NDE's have not only been part of our culture,
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they have actually influenced it, including our literature.
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Yeah, that's fascinating.
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As I talk to people about their NDE's, for most people, it seems to be very therapeutic.
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If they haven't talked to anybody about it before, there's a point where they've held
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it in long enough because they were told they were crazy or something, that they finally
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have to let it out and talk about it.
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In Charles Dickens' time, he may have tried to tell somebody about it, been told he was
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crazy.
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So this was his therapeutic way of dealing with it.
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Exactly.
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I mean, let's face it, he was a literary genius.
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Yeah, so he wrote about it.
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He wrote about it because it was fantasy, yet it put it this way.
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If it wasn't a good book, how come almost 200 years later, we're still making different
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versions of it, plays, movies, because there's a very important lesson in it.
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And the lessons that one can glean from a Christmas carol are also the positive after-effects
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one can walk away from an NDE with.
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You've been jumping all over in history here, okay?
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I mean, all over the place, and that's okay.
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Welcome to my brain.
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I want to go back for a second to the New Testament time because you brought up Paul.
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And I apologize if you don't have an answer for this.
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This is more off the wall here.
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But have you thought about or done some theorizing on the amount of transfiguration where the
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story of Jesus taking three of his apostles with him, go into that if you can?
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Oh, quite a bit.
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In fact, my presentation this last year at IAMS, International Association for Near
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Death Studies, I did go in depth into the transfiguration.
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Transfiguration is one of the most studied passages in the Bible, and not just by Christian
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scholars, but also by Hindu and Buddhist and Jain scholars, and not to mention near-death
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experience research scholars.
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So Jesus takes a select group of disciples to the top of a mountain.
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He begins to glow white and mist forms around him that also glows white, and the spirits
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of the prophet Elijah and Moses appear on either side of him.
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From a theological standpoint, this is significant because Moses was the giver of the law.
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Elijah was the executor of the law, and Jesus was the fulfillment of the law.
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And that's how it's looked at the laws of God in Scripture.
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Also when you study what's known as physical mediumship, and I'm yet to be persuaded by
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any of the ones I've seen for other reasons, the mist, the glowing whites, some people
498
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,920
could call this ectoplasm, and I don't want to get off into that, but also the United
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States Air Force has recorded ectoplasm when high-speed jets immediately break the sound
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barrier.
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A white, glistening material forms around the jets, which the United States Air Force
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has described as appearing like ectoplasm.
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So Jesus does this, and then the light recedes, and he appears once again as a mortal, or
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no, Jesus.
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And there's a discussion afterwards.
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Jesus says, don't tell anyone that you saw this until after I've ascended.
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And there's the, well, who are you?
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Some say that you are the prophet Elijah, some say that you are John the Baptist, and
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I'm paraphrasing here.
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And Jesus says to them, Elijah, now we must keep in mind, John the Baptist was Jesus's
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first cousin, and John came before Jesus to herald the coming of Jesus, and John met his
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demise at the court of Herod Antipas.
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And Herod Antipas was one of the miserable sons of the miserable Herod the Great, and
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there was Salome, and he, you know, Herod wanted her and said, I'll give you anything
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if you dance for me.
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And so she dances and says, I want the head of John the Baptist, and anyway.
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So John the Baptist has been executed.
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I think it's important for people may not be familiar with that.
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So the disciples say, some say that you are John the Baptist returned, others say that
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you are the prophet Elijah.
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And Jesus says to them, Elijah has returned, but they did not recognize him.
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And the scripture says they knew then that he was speaking of John the Baptist.
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And Elijah lived 800 years earlier than Jesus and his cousin John.
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So if Elijah has returned, but they did recognize him for he appeared in the form of John the
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Baptist, this is where progressive Christian scholars, NDE scholars, Hindus and Buddhist
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scholars believe that this may actually be a reference to reincarnation.
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And I look and I've said this in interviews and you know, there's the the literalist crowd
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that that takes issue with this.
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But when you study Christian theology in the early centuries of Christianity, it was the
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third, excuse me, the fourth century in Alexandria, Egypt, the great Christian theologian origin.
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He wrote that we must all go through a succession of lifetimes and even Satan will eventually
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ascend into the higher light with God.
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So in some secs, SCCTS, sects of Christianity in the early centuries, it is believed that
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reincarnation was a Christian concept.
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But in the year was around the year 527 to 530 AD, in what is now Istanbul and Constantinople,
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which was the capital of the Roman Empire at this time, the emperor Justinian convened
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the Fifth Ecumenical Council.
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And during the Fifth Ecumenical Council, reincarnation was banned as heresy.
539
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:45,760
And it's believed that other passages throughout scripture, which may have referenced reincarnation,
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were edited out, but they either missed the transfiguration or they left it in for some
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purpose were not entirely clear of yet.
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So I just wanted to present this because you're asking about this in scripture.
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There are some people, and this may really cause some reaction from people, that it based
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in I was raised Catholic, I was supposed to be a Catholic priest.
545
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,480
So I want that to go on record because when I was a kid, I wanted to be a priest.
546
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There is some discussion that when Jesus was removed from the cross, that he may not have
547
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been dead, or if he did die, he had an NDE and came back.
548
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Now I know that that is an affront to the concept of resurrection, or is it?
549
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Think about it.
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He went into paradise, descended to the depths of negativity, ascended into the light, and
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then returned.
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I am not saying that I believe this.
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I am not saying that I am promoting this.
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I'm just saying that there are people who don't necessarily believe the traditional
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view of the resurrection, but offer this as a possibility.
556
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaking of the Bible and NDE's, what about the story of Lazarus?
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Lazarus is fascinating because Lazarus was a good friend of Jesus who died, and then
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Jesus weeps when he hears of his friend's death, but then summons all the energy, the
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God energy, and says, Lazarus, come forth, and the body of Lazarus reanimates and returns
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from the dead.
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So in literalist Christian theology, Jesus as the human form of God is able to rise Lazarus
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from the dead, people that believe that maybe Jesus was some type of highly advanced energy
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healer, or this could perhaps have been yet another example of a near-death experience.
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So Scripture is really fascinating when you begin to look at it in different ways.
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And please understand, Eric, and for the audience.
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I'm not here to attack anyone's beliefs.
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I am not here to insult or offend anyone, but as scholars and as researchers, when we
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come across these passages and based in light of the developments that we have discovered
569
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:48,560
in the last 50 years of NDE research, it does tend to get us to look at these a bit differently.
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00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,640
Okay, let's lighten it up just a little bit now.
571
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,480
Yeah, that's kind of how you think.
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00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,600
How did Mark Anthony get from being a wannabe Catholic priest to the psychic lawyer?
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It's not unusual for mediums to be drawn to the spiritual.
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And I grew up with a mom and dad that could see spirits.
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You know, it's about three and a half years old, and I start seeing spirits and mom's
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like, oh, he's got it.
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And dad's like, oh, geez, he's got it.
578
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,240
You know, because my dad knew this would be a difficult life.
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His own sister, who was a very gifted medium, was horribly persecuted for it.
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And when I was a teenager, I started thinking, well, I don't know if I really want to do
581
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:40,120
the whole priesthood thing, the celibacy thing, but just being honest to you.
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But I wanted to work in a capacity to serve.
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And I found law very appealing.
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I liked the aspect of the research and being able to speak and advocate for people.
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And so I kind of, you know, because I thought that the priesthood would have too many rules
586
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and regulations.
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00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,600
So I jumped out of that fire right into the frying pan, you know, frying pan right into
588
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,680
the fire, and I went into law.
589
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:10,920
And so what had happened, Eric, is I was very close to my parents.
590
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,560
I had a great relationship with them.
591
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:17,360
And I was in my law office as a senior partner of a firm.
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And one day I was thinking about spaghetti.
593
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Makes sense.
594
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,640
Now being of Italian descent, thinking of spaghetti is not an unusual thing.
595
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,920
Yeah, it may have been lunchtime.
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00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,640
It was lunchtime and the phone rang.
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00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,600
My secretary put it through and it was my mom.
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00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,720
She said, honey, I made spaghetti for lunch.
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Why don't you come over?
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00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,000
Hey, my folks lived about five miles away with the heck, you know, I didn't have that
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00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,880
much on the books that day.
602
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,480
I had the most awesome time with my mom and dad.
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And mom looked tired.
604
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And so before I left, she hugged me and kissed me.
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00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,960
And I'll never forget, my mom looked and looked me in the eye and said, Mark, I love
606
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,960
you so much.
607
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,600
I'm so glad you've been my son.
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00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,320
And I said, I love you too, mom.
609
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,320
And that just seemed strange.
610
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,480
I remember when I left, I mean, the sound of the door when it closed there, the door
611
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:12,960
of the house had this, you know, and I just had this ominous.
612
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,400
I mean, it was nice.
613
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,120
So the next morning I'm in court and the judge's assistant came and said, Mark, we need you
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00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,160
in chambers right now.
615
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,160
And I knew this wasn't good.
616
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,000
And when they handed me the phone, my secretary was on the phone in tears and she said, your
617
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,080
dad called, your mom died.
618
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,840
And she had passed in her sleep very peacefully.
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Well, I spiraled into this horrible depression, understandably so.
620
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I mean, I lost my mom.
621
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:50,720
And I was driving back from court a couple of weeks later.
622
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,120
And one of those waves of grief hit me.
623
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And everybody that's listening to this, you know, you know what I'm talking about.
624
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,480
When you lose somebody, you know, there's times you handle it better than others.
625
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Well, I wasn't handling it very well.
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00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,080
And I thought, let me pull over, I shouldn't be driving.
627
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:11,200
And I pulled over in this convenience store parking lot and I'm sitting there alone in
628
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:14,400
my car or so I thought.
629
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,640
And this flash of light goes off in the car.
630
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,320
And I instinctively turned to the passenger side and I see my mother's silhouette in this
631
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,800
beautiful silver white light.
632
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,040
And before I can even begin to process that, her voice fills my head.
633
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,680
And she says, Mark, you've been given the gift of mediumship so that you would not be
634
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,360
crushed by grief.
635
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,440
But now you must help those who are suffering with theirs.
636
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,400
Well, Eric, I'm like now I'm breaking out into a sweat.
637
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,200
And before I could recover from that, the second part of her message came through.
638
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:55,920
She said, Mark, it is your life's mission to help people understand that God exists, that
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the afterlife, heaven, whatever you want to call it exists, that your souls are mortal
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living beings, that humans can communicate with souls, and that we will all be reunited
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00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:17,080
when it is your time to leave the material world in the light that you call God.
642
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So I am soaking wet with sweat.
643
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I sink back into my seat and all I can say is, OK.
644
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,880
And Eric, I'm thinking, I can't tell anybody this.
645
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400
I'm the senior partner of a law firm.
646
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,280
They're going to think I'm insane.
647
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,720
I mean, everybody always thought I was a little bit weird anyway because I seemed to know
648
00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,320
things about people, particularly during jury selection.
649
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,320
So then people knew about my family and all that.
650
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,640
But now this was different.
651
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,960
And I've heard the term spiritually transformative experience.
652
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,800
And normally you think of sitting on a mountaintop in Maui meditating and, oh, I had to do it.
653
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,560
No, mine was the proverbial fire hose right to the face.
654
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And hey, my family is Italian.
655
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,280
What else could it be?
656
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,320
But I'm making a joke there.
657
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,360
But I also realized that we all have a life mission.
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Every life matters.
659
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,560
Every life counts.
660
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:22,960
And that everything happens, I believe, synchronistically.
661
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,760
And it was time for things to change.
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00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:33,600
Within days, I started working on my first book, Never Letting Go.
663
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Then I got offered a job in a government agency supervising court operations.
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00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,840
OK, so now I'm transitioning out of running a law firm, which is a real hassle.
665
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,520
That is a seven day a week, 16 hour a day job.
666
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,440
Then my book, Never Letting Go comes out.
667
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,160
And I brought on my manager, Rocky, which you probably met her at IONS.
668
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:01,320
And she arranged for my first speaking tour, which took me to New York City.
669
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,000
She got me on a show on MSNBC, which was awesome.
670
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,240
And it was right before Christmas.
671
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,480
So we did the whole Rockefeller Center thing.
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And then a couple of days later, she arranged for me to speak at Harvard University in Boston.
673
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,720
So here we are, we're walking around Boston with our cups of coffee.
674
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It's all decorated for Christmas.
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00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,080
And we're at Harvard campus and my cell phone rings.
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00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,760
And it's my boss, the elected official.
677
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:31,640
And he's of a particular party that isn't real tolerant of people like me.
678
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:36,120
And he said, I'm catching too much political flak for having a psychic on staff.
679
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,800
And I said, well, the last time I checked, this was the United States of America.
680
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,320
And I do have a First Amendment right of my beliefs.
681
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,240
I'm not speaking about them at work.
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00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,600
He said, and you're taking too much time off from work.
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00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,760
I said, well, I'm also taking my vacation time.
684
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,440
And I could hear the stress in his voice.
685
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And I said, here, let me make this simple for you.
686
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Please consider this my resignation.
687
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He said, okay, that works.
688
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And I hung up and then I go, oh my God, Rocky, I just quit the practice of law.
689
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,640
And she said, Mark, take a look around.
690
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Where are you?
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I said, Harvard.
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She said, what are you doing in an hour?
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Giving a talk on the afterlife and near-death experiences and signing copies of my new book.
694
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:30,400
And she said, don't you think you're exactly where you're supposed to be right now?
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Very wise.
696
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Let me ask you this.
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This is not a show about mediums, but I know people are curious.
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Anyway, I spoke with someone recently who said they were in their church and their church
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had brought in a medium.
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And they were using it as a fundraiser and some other things.
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He said, I was sitting on the front row and the medium came up to me and looked me in
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00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:07,040
the eyes and said, declared that your father from the other side is here.
703
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And he has this message for you and got all dramatic.
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And I'm going to translate this message now to you.
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And this man says, stop right there.
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This is my father sitting right next to me.
707
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He is alive.
708
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And then they got up and left.
709
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:31,680
So the question is, are there some mediums or psychics or whatever term we're using
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that we can believe?
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And are there some that we cannot?
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And how do we know the difference?
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00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Absolutely.
714
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,040
First off, when I do public sessions, I'll say there's a spirit coming forward.
715
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And first I get their gender, then I get an idea of the connection they may have to whoever
716
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,960
the recipient is.
717
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,200
And I begin to describe that person.
718
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,240
I may see what they look like.
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00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:03,720
I normally will pick up on how they passed and I'll start giving details.
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00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:07,920
And then I say, does this make sense to anybody and there may be more than one person?
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00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:12,440
And then I say, OK, now, and then the spirit will continue giving me information until
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00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:18,800
we get to the spirit is somebody that does things like that.
723
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:25,240
They're either charlatans or they're just not very experienced.
724
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And there's a huge quantitative difference.
725
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,240
I think that if people are going to engage the services of a medium, check his or her
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00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,920
website, read their credentials.
727
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,560
My website is afterlifefrequency.com, just like my book.
728
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,120
And you can look at my videos.
729
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:49,560
I've been tested in laboratories at the University of Arizona in LA in the United Kingdom.
730
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,080
I've done over 15,000 readings.
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00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,080
I'm an evidential medium.
732
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,920
Being a lawyer, once again, everything in my life led to a reason.
733
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,840
I had to have this basis and evidence and science and be credible because I see people
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00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:04,840
all the time.
735
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,520
Oh, your grandmother's here and she loves you.
736
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:07,520
Well, that's great.
737
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,640
But most people's grandmothers love them.
738
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Oh, and I bet she baked cookies too.
739
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,000
All right.
740
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,880
So you got to start giving you big hugs and big hugs.
741
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,240
Well, here's the difference.
742
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:24,480
I was doing a reading for this woman recently and her mother's spirit came through and I
743
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:30,720
said, she's talking about a young man in this world who's very close to you and there's
744
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,080
something going on with his eyes.
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00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:37,000
And he looks like he's maybe around seven.
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00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:38,600
She goes, well, I have a seven-year-old nephew.
747
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,200
She goes, I don't have any children.
748
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,640
I'm very close to my nephew.
749
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:42,640
That's my sister's son.
750
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,600
I said, well, there's something going on with his eyes and eyesight.
751
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,440
She said, that's weird because my sister said he was complaining about blurred vision.
752
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:57,000
I said, the next part of the message is you got to get him to an eye doctor and your mom's
753
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,440
now giving me the song, Tutti Frutti, Oh, Rudy by Little Richard.
754
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,360
She goes, well, that doesn't make any sense at all.
755
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,520
I said, that's fine.
756
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,840
But that's what I'm getting.
757
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:14,560
You have to realize we're not on spirits or not on our schedule.
758
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,880
So a month later, this woman contacted me.
759
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,080
She said, Mark, I called my sister, told her about this, and she said, let's definitely
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00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,720
take my son to the eye doctor.
761
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:27,120
We got an appointment and I went with them.
762
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,280
And the second we walked into the doctor's office on the radio started playing Tutti
763
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,720
Frutti, Oh, Rudy by Little Richard.
764
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:40,440
Now I think we're way past a billion to one on the odds there.
765
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,240
How did this happen?
766
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:47,240
First off, spirits, the electromagnetic soul came forward.
767
00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:54,040
This is the spirit's grandson, her daughter's son, her other daughter's nephew.
768
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:57,040
So there's the love connection, love is energy.
769
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,600
She spirits can scan us.
770
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,560
So they scan the little boy, they pick up on energetic anomalies.
771
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,840
He has an issue with his eyes.
772
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:10,600
Also on the quantum level, and I can explain it if you want, but on the electromagnetic
773
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,560
subatomic level, time as we know it doesn't exist.
774
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,920
So the spirit was acting out of intervention and guidance.
775
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:29,560
Please take my grandson to the eye doctor and to verify that you're doing the right thing.
776
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:35,760
This spirit could see what you and I call the future, pick up on the electromagnetic
777
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:41,760
wave, which is radio waves, and verify that by the second you got there, Tutti Frutti,
778
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,760
we are Rudy by little Richard is playing.
779
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,520
This is not a coincidence.
780
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,040
This is not hocus pocus or magic.
781
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,200
This is quantum physics.
782
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,040
And when you look at Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, you can take a lifetime to
783
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,360
understand that.
784
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,680
We know that everything's made of molecules, which in turn are made of electrons, protons,
785
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,640
atoms, which are made of electrons, protons, and neutrons, and they in turn are on the
786
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:14,160
subatomic level made of quanta, which is electromagnetic energy.
787
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:19,200
And quantum physicists, since the time of Albert Einstein, Max Planck, all the way up
788
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:26,880
to Stephen Hawking, Max Tegmar theorize that what you and I consider to be time doesn't
789
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:33,680
exist, which is why spirits can oftentimes and do bring up future events.
790
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,520
And that's what happened here.
791
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:43,520
So when you deal with a medium who presents evidence, you may not always understand everything
792
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,320
that comes through immediately.
793
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,160
A lot of it you will, but not everything you do.
794
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,200
And therein lies the difference.
795
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:57,640
Is a credible medium is going to be based in evidence and not jump to conclusions.
796
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaking of quantum physics, you mentioned something.
797
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,000
This is going to be my last question today.
798
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,760
You mentioned just a second ago, love is energy.
799
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,720
Please explain that.
800
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,840
Well, think about your relationships with the people you love.
801
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:19,240
They can be exhausting, particularly if you have teenagers.
802
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,040
But love is energy.
803
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,800
And the thing about love, you may not be able to quantify it.
804
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,640
You can't put it under a microscope.
805
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:34,520
But love is the energy that makes life worth living.
806
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:42,600
And so many of us who've had near-death experiences describe God as love, this pure, absolute love.
807
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:49,560
Now, as a former criminal defense attorney, I can assure you that very many people confuse
808
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,360
lust with love.
809
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,680
All right, lust is, you know, we're dealing with our lower red chakra.
810
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,880
And it's like, oh, I got to have this particular person.
811
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:03,400
And of course, in the initial phases of attraction, there's always something of that.
812
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:11,280
But true love is an energetic bond that you realize that you're interlinked.
813
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:20,640
That's why, like when my mother's father died, at that precise moment, she woke up and there
814
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:30,800
he was, standing, or his spirit standing in her bedroom, 1200 miles from where he died.
815
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,120
That's love.
816
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,120
That's energy.
817
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,800
And you may not be able to see it, but you can feel it.
818
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:43,840
Think about in the electromagnetic spectrum, what we can see is visible light.
819
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:52,160
We can't see x-rays, gamma rays, radio waves, microwaves, cosmic waves.
820
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,680
I mean, there's so much that, in other words, if you held up a yardstick and said, this
821
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:08,360
is the electromagnetic spectrum, then go to one tiny line and that is visible light.
822
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,000
And that's all that we can see in that spectrum.
823
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,320
The rest of it, we can't.
824
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:19,240
And let's face it, just because we can't see something doesn't mean it isn't there.
825
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:25,000
And I like to, when I use the term electromagnetic sol, my friend and colleague, Dr. Gary Schwartz,
826
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:33,400
said that, Mark, let me add to the electromagnetic sol and say that sol stands for source of
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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,760
universal love.
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01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:42,760
That's beautiful.
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01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,760
Thanks again for listening to Roundtrip Death.
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01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Hey, when you have a minute, I hope you'll click on over to roundtripteath.com.
831
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:55,360
There you can leave us a comment, make a donation, or sign up for our newsletter.
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